Re: Sleep vs Hybernate?

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But who asked you for your totally unqualified input?


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While you all kiss and make up the feature is part of the On Now spec.

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"3c273" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thank you for your apology. I never meant this to turn into an argument
but when you do something every day and someone tells you it's not
possible, well, it gets me a little wound up. Keep up the good work, you
are one of the better MVPs.
Louis

"John John - MVP" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I apologize, I tried it but had neglected to go in the advanced features
and putting a check mark on the "Wake the computer to run this task". It
does work, I am wrong and you were right all along. I learned something
new about Scheduled Tasks, thank you.

John

3c273 wrote:
I'm not misinterpreting anything. I just did it with nothing but a
keyboard, mouse, and monitors plugged in to make sure that the network
wasn't waking it up. It does it every morning. I guess you are calling
me a liar as I hibernate my machine every night before bed and the
windows task scheduler wakes the machine up and starts playing music
every morning. I watched it happen last week and I just watched it
happen again with a new scheduled task. The BIOS screen comes up and
then the "resuming windwws" progress bar scrolls and then the music
starts playing. If you look at my posting history, you'll see that I'm
not just some troll disagreeing with you. You've helped me before, so I
know that you are knowlegedable, but on this subject, you are just
wrong. Don't be aftaid to admit it.
Louis


"John John - MVP" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Microsoft doesn't disagree with me, or I should rather say that I
don't disagree with Microsoft. You are misinterpreting what is
mentioned in the resource kit, these ACPI features can wake the system
from *hibernation* or standby, these ACPI features would be things
like WOL or Wake on Ring. There is *absolutely no way* that you are
waking up a hibernating computer with a Scheduled Task! The only way
that could happen would be for a scheduled task on *another* computer
to send a wake up call to the hibernating computer, the Windows
installation on the hibernating computer absolutely cannot bring the
computer out of hibernation, standby yes, hibernation, no.

From Microsoft:

"Like sleep, hibernate is a power-saving state. In Windows Vista,
sleep saves your settings in memory and draws a small amount of power
to maintain that memory. Hibernate, on the other hand, writes your
settings and the content of memory to the hard disk and then
completely powers down the system."

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2008.05.sustainablecomputing2.aspx

Same thing for Windows 2000 and Windows XP, the system is completely
powered down after the hiberfil.sys file is written, scheduled tasks
are no longer available and Windows cannot reawaken itself from a
powered down state, something else has to initiate the power up.

John

3c273 wrote:
Microsoft disagrees with you. From the "Microsoft Windows XP
Professional
Resource Kit Documentation"
Sample chapter can be found at
http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/sampchap/5566d.aspx
Scroll down to the section labeled "Enabling Devices to Wake the
Computer".
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On ACPI-compatible systems, Windows XP Professional can enable some
devices
to wake the system from the *hibernation* or standby.
Happens every day at my house. Look beyond the windows help files for
more
information.
Louis

"John John - MVP" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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No, it isn't funny, it just can't happen. The article is wrong, the
author used the wrong term to describe what he is doing, he is
waking up
a sleeping machine, a machine on stand by, he doesn't show in his
article how he got the machine to the sleeping state to later "wake"
it
up. A hibernating computer is turned off. Hibernate saves
everything
in the RAM to a file on disk (hiberfil.sys) and then it *completely*
shuts down the computer, when the computer is restarted the hiberfil
file is sucked back into memory and the Windows session is restored
to
the state it was when it was hibernated. Other than saving the RAM
to
disk hibernate does the very same thing as shutting down the
computer.

The ntldr boot loader has special code in it and when the computer
is
booted it looks for the hiberfil.sys file in the root of the boot
volume, if ntldr finds this file it sucks it into memory and returns
the
computer back from hibernation. If ntldr doesn't find an
hiberfil.sys
file it parses the boot.ini file or looks for the Windows
installation
and it boots Windows normally. An hibernated computer is turned
off, it
cannot be turned on by any Windows feature because Windows is
completely
knocked out when the computer hibernates. Look in your Windows help
files for more information.

John

3c273 wrote:
That's funny, because my computer wakes me up every morning from
hibernation. I even woke up early the other morning and watched it.
Perhaps
you're not doing it right.
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=828
Louis

"John John - MVP" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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3c273 wrote:
Scheduled tasks will wake the computer from hibernation. Off is
off.
No, scheduled task cannot take the computer out of hibernation
because
hibernation is also *off*.

John






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