Re: Windows XP won't start upon boot

Terry

You really are a fool. There is no point continuing this conversation. I
have better and more productive things to!


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Gerry
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Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Friday, April 17, 2009 10:04:05 AM, and on a
whim, Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Terry

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Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Friday, April 17, 2009 8:23:24 AM, and on a
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"Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The date and time was Friday, April 17, 2009 6:01:44 AM, and on a
whim, Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Himanshu

Sorry but I agree with most of the comments by James Watkins.
Whilst it is true that many of us have our own ways of
troubleshooting I would pick up on these points.

Pick up on these points? I guess you're the definitive answer
now?
No just expressing an opinion like you do. Readers can take it or
leave it.
Usually when someone offers an opinion, they don't preface it with,
"... pick up on these points."

Where did you get that idea from?


It's not an "idea". Your comment makes it sound like "I'm giving you
some tips. Listen up."



Suggesting safe mode options is fine but it is best to simplify
the situation where a computer will not boot. Thus opting for
Networking is a move in the wrong direction. It would be better
to disconnect all peripherals, except keyboard, mouse and
monitor! This would include disconnecting all modems, routers
rtc. Once the computer does boot you can then look to add back
devices to try to find out the cause of the problem.

SM w/N is fine. It surely is NOT a "move in the wrong direction".
Only if another safe mode option works first.

No Gerry. Enabling the network adapter isn't the "wrong
direction". I will suggest to clients or in newsgroups to boot into
SM w/N and download a malware program or something that may be
needed off the internet.

That's advice given in a different situation!


You need to read what I'm saying before responding. You specifically
said that using SM w/N is "A MOVE IN THE WRONG DIRECTION". It's not
at all.

Running Disk CleanUp before running chdsk can be helpful but this
is a non-starting computer so your point is academic until it
does start.
But it isn't bad advice, so why are you knocking it?
I didn't!

"... your point is academic until it does start." is knocking his
suggestion.

So fair comment is not allowed in your Utopia!


You criticized a wrong comment, but defend your own wrong comment. Who is
not allowing "fair comment"?


And speaking of "academic". YOU suggested disabling Automatic
Restart! And yet you inform this person that IT IS A NON-STARTING
COMPUTER!v
That was part of an attempt to get more clues / pointers to the
nature of the problem. Actually "non-starting computer" is an
incorrect description as the computer starts but fails to complete
the boot process. I am surprised your razor sharp intellect did not
cause you to correct my mistatement!
The point being that Windows is not loading is basically
non-starting, to the point where your suggestion of telling them to
disable AR was useless.

You do not know at what point the boot process is failing so you
fail to score with this criticism!


Maybe you should re-read the OP. If you can't reach a Windows
Desktop, it doesn't matter "at what point the boot process is
failing". Stop trying to defend your suggestion of disabling AR,
since it can't be done in light of the OP's situation!


Providing a link to an executable file is totally wrong. This is
the way to get a malware infestation. A Registry Cleaner for many
are more likely to make situations worse rather than better. I
cannot see how the suggestion will resolve the problem of a
non-booting computer?
Providing links is NOT "totally wrong". It's done all the time.
To web pages not to executable files!

Which shows you didn't even check the link. So you criticized
without knowledge, which in turn makes YOU totally wrong.

Ah you make false assumptions as you did with your post criticising
James Watkins!


No, I made no false assumption. You state above, "To web pages not to
executable files!" The link that was given WAS to a web page and NOT
an executable file (at least using Firefox). James made a similar
statement.
And speaking of "I cannot see how the suggestion will resolve the
problem of a non-booting computer?" YOU suggested disabling
Automatic Restart! Take your own advice Gerry!
You cannot run an executable file from online if you cannot access
the internet. Do you have a magic formula for doing this?

I wasn't talking about Himanshu's suggestions.

The whole of these exchanges is about Himanshu's suggestions!


Not mine. I said to you on your first reply that the OP can't disable
AR since they can't reach a Windows Desktop. Long before Himanshu
responded. Exactly as I said in the line below.

I was directly
commenting to YOUR suggestions. You cannot disable AR from a
computer that won't boot into Windows either. Do you have a magic
formula for doing this?

Yes using the F8 key. Didn't you know it is one of the options on
the Boot menu.
A description of the Safe Mode Boot options in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315222/en-us


Amazing. You say using SM w/N is a wrong move to Himanshu. You say
you can't execute a file online without internet access (that SM w/N
provides). Any yet you defend your comment to disable Automatic
Restart by using Safe Mode.

If you read my first response to the OP, I suggested using the Safe
Mode Command Prompt. Didn't YOU know that's one of the options?

Himanshu suggested booting using SM w/N and you said it was wrong. IF
the computer would boot and they followed Himanshu's
suggestions, they WOULD be able to access the internet. But either
are incorrect since Windows will not load.

Incorrect. The process fail to complete in normal mode. We do not
know whether all options fail. That is what I was trying to confirm
with my original post to l-p.


Your original post gave incorrect info. Read it again and tell me
where this option is under the Windows Advanced Options menu:

"Keep pressing the F8 key during Start-Up and select option - Disable
automatic restart on system failure."


So you should apologize to Himanshu.

What for? All I have posted is fair comment, not personal abuse.

How about getting rid of that delimiter if you're going to reply
at the top? Take some GOOD advice for a change!
That's your opinion not mine!


snipped -off topic!


Yeah, snip it away. You're just being stubborn. I have offered two
different ways for you to top post correctly, one using OE that you
currently use with QuoteFix, and another using a news reader that top
posts properly (Thunderbird). You basically are saying "screw you" to
all new posters and those without newsgroup experience by your refusal
to keep proper post content intact. And yet you want to offer
support. I don't get it.


Terry R.


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