Re: Restore

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John Barnett MVP wrote:
Bill as I've said I only do full back up's not incremental

Same here, John. I *wasn't* talking about doing incremental - I was
talking about saving *several full image backups* in the Secure Zone. IOW,
multiple images from different dates (for potentially different occasions).

and I also delete the secure Zone and create it again prior to doing a
full backup.

OH! But that's because you apparently only want to store ONE complete
image backup. But I don't understand why you would be so limited (on just
storing one image backup there) - it's nice to have several images (for
different dates).

Without actually trying an incremental backup I can't say whether you can
access
the secure zone to choose a restore image - either way you need the first
full
backup on the secure zone to start the process.

No, again, I wasn't ever talking about incremental or differential backups,
John - only FULL backups, but for different dates. Are you saying you
can't do that using the Secure Zone (and be able to access any one of them
for a restore operation later)?

Acronis always puts the secure zone at the 'end' of the hard drive. If
there
is something there in the first place it will delete it ( I found that out
to my horror
some years ago).

Well THAT is disgusting. Lovely.

Dell stores *its* system restore partition (and it's a primary partition)
out there. (And Acronis said (in the list) it was planning to move it
(but not delete it), but, thing is, I don't think it is moveable, and I
don't want to risk losing it, either).

Now Paragon Hard Disk Manager puts its 'backup
capsule' at the end of your last available partition (assuming you have
sufficient unallocated space) and, of course, it can be moved, whereas the
Acronis Secure Zone cannot.

Hmmm. Possibly some more potential problems here.

Although I have used the Secure Zone I do find, now, that it is easier to
just create a partition on a removable hard drive and backup to that
rather
than using the Secure Zone.

Oh, absolutely!!!
And that's what I've been doing up to now. But its space (on the USB
external HD) is limited, and of course, it's slower)

But I have all this wasted space on my one internal HD that is just begging
to be used.



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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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So you mean you can't store a collection of backup images in the Secure
Zone that are 1) easily identified and 2) can be chosen at will to use
later (for a restore operation)?

Well, if that's the case, it's not worth it to even try to use it, then.
Just storing one autonamed(?) image is of little use to me. That's a
pity, as I have LOTs of unallocated space on my one internal HD just
begging to be used for such storage. :-)

Plus - when I went to try out creating a Secure Zone (but NOT the Startup
Disk option), Acronis showed that it *also* planned on moving my Dell
system restore partition (located near the end of the drive) in the
process.

However, this primary partition (and the adjacent 7.8 MB unallocated
space) is normally *unmoveable* (at least in Partition Magic), so I just
exited it at that point to be safe. Why it is unmoveable, I don't
know,
but I assume it has something to do with Dell System Restore expecting
that partition to be at a precise location on the HD (should you select
that option at bootup using the Ctrl F11 keys).


John Barnett MVP wrote:
When using the Secure Zone ZA blocks the filename option, simply telling
you
that you don't need a file name.

When I backup I always create a 'full' back up not an incremental so,
basically, there is only ever one backup file for selection. Acronis,
therefore, self selects this file when I direct it to the secure zone
for
imaging back to the disk.


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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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And I would rather it would NOT be hidden (as I've also been discussing
with Anna), since I want to know exactly what is there and have at
least
some access to it via explorer (just as you can with the alternate
drive
backups). But since I can't, I haven't used it (as of yet).

Which reminds me: It sounds like you have used it, John (the Secure
Zone), so is there anyway to give those Secure Zone backup images at
least
some brief description, or meaningful filenames, so you can readily
identify them? I mean when you don't use the Secure Zone, of course
you
are able to type in a brief description for the backup image before it
is
written, and a filename, which are very helpful. I don't know if you
can do either of those by using the Secure Zone (I read the filename
was
autogenerated, for instance, and I don't know if a description is
allowed
before creating the image - AND is viewable afterwards should you want
to
decide which image to restore).

John Barnett MVP wrote:
Yes Bill it can be deleted from within Acronis. As for 'unfortunately'
it
is
unfortunate that it is visible in a third party partitioning
application
because it is easy for someone not familiar with partitions to delete
it.
It
would much rather it be 'hidden' in all applications.

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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John Barnett MVP wrote:
Easiest way is to install from the manufacturer's recovery disk
(including
all the trial software) then remove the trial software and any other
applications you don't want and image your drive/partition using
Acronis
True Image. If you then experience any problems you just re-image
the
Acronis image back to the drive/partition.

Acronis can actually create a 'secure' partition for you to back up
to.
This
doesn't show up in windows disk management, so it can't be deleted
by
a
third party. Unfortunately, though, it does show up,

Unfortunately??

and can be deleted, if you have third party partitioning software
installed.

OR it can be deleted from within Acronis, of course.


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"Newbie" <Newbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello,

Our company uses HP and Dell workstations w/XP pro.
If system crash then we can restore back with disk image.
But their disk image come with a lot of trial software,I have to
remove
them
one by one.
Can I have a clean install then create my own disk image?
If the system crash again then I can restore back without trial
software.

Thanks


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