Re: Windowds XP

Hi Ron,

You say that you can see the two posts, but I still can't see them on the
Microsoft server. Yet I DO see them using Supernews.

I've copied/pasted the contents of one of them and I'm submitting it again
via my Supernews account.

I'm sure it will show up when I access this topic from my Supernews account.

I'll be curious to see if it shows up when I access this topic using the
MSFT servers.

Alan

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Hi John and Ron,

Well, I tried posting the attached reply below, showing a history of John's
replies to this thread, about 45 minutes ago, and it still hasn't shown up
here.

I'm attaching it again. Let's see if it makes it this time.

Alan

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Hi John,

Here are the posts I found from you in THIS thread, beginning at 12:29 PM
EDT and ending at 6:14 PM EDT, using my Supernews server account.

If you posted any others -- and they were deleted from Microsoft's servers
before they were propagated -- then they won't be here.

Alan

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:29 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0IHA.4476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
server)?

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eARCcUW0IHA.5728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't
ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster
name/origin before they make it to the group servers.

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:11 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW0IHA.3504@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the
subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at
Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their
servers.

John


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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:22 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0IHA.3920@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it
to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough
to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no
longer express my opinion about the subject!

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:48 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23LReDxX0IHA.2408@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet
the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the
same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted.

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O0ED$KY0IHA.5728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post)
and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another
(new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing.

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Ojd2MZY0IHA.4364@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in another
post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will post a
second post with a copy of my earlier reply.

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uFO0mZY0IHA.4364@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Lets see if this will work:

Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with
"restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I
have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are
sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that
someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than
that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on
their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of
Microsoft.

John

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23xoQ9lY0IHA.2312@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There is
something in the post that someone doesn't like.

John John (MVP) wrote:


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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:14 PM

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ0IHA.704@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.



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"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ0IHA.704@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/d9b0e7f6c12d588c/aaac990cbf85933d?lnk=st&q=#aaac990cbf85933d

(Look for post #27)

The post seems innocuous enough to me, but apparentlty not to the powers
that be somewhere out there...

John

Bob I wrote:

You could make multiple posts each containing a single sentence, and then
you would know what tripped the "filter".

John John (MVP) wrote:

I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There
is something in the post that someone doesn't like.

John John (MVP) wrote:

Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in
another post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will
post a second post with a copy of my earlier reply.

John

Bob I wrote:

perhaps "Alias" is a forbidden word?

John John (MVP) wrote:

There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22
post) and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and
another (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't
showing.

John

Bob I wrote:

Dunno, I see posts from you in this thread at 11:29, 12:03, 12:11,
14:22 and this one at 14:48..

John John (MVP) wrote:

No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has
appeared yet the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I
tried to post the same post again with my answer to Ron but the
post hasn't been posted.

John

Bob I wrote:

How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon?

John John (MVP) wrote:

It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from
making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems
like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is
now over because I can no longer express my opinion about the
subject!

John

Ron Badour wrote:

I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have
never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS
server merely because there were discussions of or rants about
MS. Posts are removed upon the request of the poster if there
is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam, contain
excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain
dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously
and does not arbitrarily remove posts just because they are
critical of MS. With that said, I don't recall seeing posts
made by Alias so I don't know what might be objectionable in his
posts if they are indeed being removed. I would also be willing
to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she
removed a post because of a grudge.
















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"Ron Badour" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uVWB8kZ0IHA.4912@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If the subject dealt with something illegal, then I would not be surprised
to see it deleted. However, with that said, I have seen posts (one by a
former MS MVP) that contained product keys for W98 and the posts were not
deleted.

--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008


"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uZGIGZZ0IHA.5728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes, it takes something else or something more than just the "A" name. I
said something else that someone doesn't like, I tried to post it several
times to you and once to Bob, but someone won't allow it or it's
triggering a filter rule on the servers. One post managed to make it on
to the Google archives, (see another post to Bob I), there isn't much
there offensive if you ask me but in the past I have found discussions
mentioning the subject to not be allowed on the servers, it appears to be
a "touchy" subject.

John

Ron Badour wrote:

John

Something else is going on as my reply to you had Alias in it and it
made it to the thread. Let's see if this one makes it--ALIAS, alias,
Alias. By the way, I post directly to the MS Server
(msnews.microsoft.com) using Outlook Express




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"Ron Badour" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OPMfS6Z0IHA.5944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes. By the way, I see two posts that you made--one at 6:21 and the other
at 6:32 and they appear to be ones you are not seeing.

--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008


"Alan" <somewhere@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e$roGzZ0IHA.1628@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ron,

Is it okay if I send the replies that I posted -- which HAVEN'T shown up
here -- to your website account?

Alan

"Ron Badour" <Sorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OvqRWiZ0IHA.3756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
John,

Please send me an email through my web site containing the text you
believe is responsible. http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/

--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008


"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:edDCgdZ0IHA.2384@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It's a funny coincidence that another post to Bob with the same text is
also not showing here yet posts a few minutes before and after (without
the offending text, whatever it is) is showing. To me it isn't
coincidence at all.

John

Daave wrote:

Or it might be a coincidence. Sometimes my posts don't show up on the
MS server either. Or maybe it's the "c" word....


"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ0IHA.704@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made
it on to their servers, under another account with just my short
"John" name.

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/d9b0e7f6c12d588c/aaac990cbf85933d?lnk=st&q=#aaac990cbf85933d

(Look for post #27)

The post seems innocuous enough to me, but apparentlty not to the
powers that be somewhere out there...

John

Bob I wrote:


You could make multiple posts each containing a single sentence, and
then you would know what tripped the "filter".

John John (MVP) wrote:


I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up...
There is something in the post that someone doesn't like.

John John (MVP) wrote:


Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in
another post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I
will post a second post with a copy of my earlier reply.

John

Bob I wrote:


perhaps "Alias" is a forbidden word?

John John (MVP) wrote:


There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my
14:22 post) and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same
message and another (new) one with slightly altered contents and
the posts aren't showing.

John

Bob I wrote:


Dunno, I see posts from you in this thread at 11:29, 12:03,
12:11, 14:22 and this one at 14:48..

John John (MVP) wrote:


No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has
appeared yet the other one that I posted before this one
hasn't. I tried to post the same post again with my answer to
Ron but the post hasn't been posted.

John

Bob I wrote:


How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon?

John John (MVP) wrote:


It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented
from making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A"
name seems like reason enough to block posts! I guess the
conversation is now over because I can no longer express my
opinion about the subject!

John

Ron Badour wrote:


I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I
have never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off
a MS server merely because there were discussions of or
rants about MS. Posts are removed upon the request of the
poster if there is a valid reason, if they contain blatant
spam, contain excessive profanity, have any reference to
porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom
of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove
posts just because they are critical of MS. With that said,
I don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know
what might be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed
being removed. I would also be willing to bet that a person
could lose his/her job at MS if he/she removed a post
because of a grudge.


















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