Re: fall abrupt...

They (the manufacturer's) are being forced to include a method of reinstalling Windows as it is now, so why aren't they suing about that? It's a non issue, being told to include a real Windows cd with the sale of a Windows license would not be a trade restriction, they could still ship their restoration cd along with the real McCoy if they wanted to. The manufacturers say nothing because they too do not have the better interests of the consumers in mind, they have other motives in mind, which I might add is why companies are in business. But we all know what is going on with this and why none of the players say anything or do anything about it. We know all too well who the losers are in this game, we know who it is that pays the price. Surprising that you could mention A-G in your post and not be censored, must be because the wrong party was at the receiving end in my earlier posts ;-)

John

Bob I wrote:

Yep, and then the manufacturers would have the A-G sueing MS for trade restrictions.

John John wrote:

Suit yourself but what you say is not true. The manufacturers are selling licenses and Microsoft need only say that the CD is part of the license and that it must be included with the sale, as it now does for small OEMs and generic CDs. It really is that simple, Microsoft can force small manufacturers to do it and they could force the big guys to do it if they wanted to.

John

Unknown wrote:

Check with any corporate attorney----they cannot edict a 'real' CD be shipped.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OI58zO8HIHA.4688@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Well, isn't that what this part of discussion was all about? Why are real Windows cd's not shipped with new Windows computers? Manufacturers must supply a (one) reinstallation method, Microsoft tells them which methods are acceptable and leaves it to them to chose which reinstallation method they will supply. If manufacturers wanted to include a real windows cd they could and if Microsoft wanted manufacturers to include "real" Windows cd with the sale of new Windows computers it could simply make it a mandatory condition of the distribution agreement. The plain and simple fact is that there are ulterior motives involved in the equation but I can't mention them because if I do my posts are censored.

John

Unknown wrote:


Reread 'present rules'. I agree a restoration method is required but shipping a CD is not.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23Q9VQK6HIHA.484@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Microsoft has censored three of my posts in this thread so obviously this is a pretty touchy subject for them, they don't want their customers to know what is going on with this. To engage in an open and frank discussion on the subject the discussion will have to be taken to an .alt group.

This is part of what I said in my last censored post:

"Of course they can! There is nothing illegal about it and that is how they did it in the past. If you want to sell computers with Windows installed on them you have to enter into an agreement with Microsoft. Small system builders don't bother too much with this, they sell too few machines or do not have the resources to comply with complicated agreements so they just purchase generic (Microsoft) OEM disks and accept the terms of the Small System Builders agreement, part of which stipulates that they *must* include the generic OEM cd with the sale of the computer. http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

The large OEM's have different agreements with Microsoft and part of their agreement stipulates that they *must* include a method of reinstalling Windows with the sale of the computer. The present rules state that the reinstall method can be a real Windows CD (or a real copy, that the manufacturer can stamp out itself), a manufacturer's restoration/image CD or a service partition that contains the installation files or an image. If the manufacturers don't comply with the rules they cannot sell Windows software licenses. To put an end to the problems Microsoft can simply state in its rules that the manufacturers must supply a real cd."

But then maybe this post might also be in vain, it too may be censored...

John

Unknown wrote:



Sorry, they CANNOT do that. Illegal.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uoeAdOxHIHA.4476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



Of course Microsoft can dictate that real cd's be included with the sale of new computers. They now dictate that the manufacturers must include a method of reinstalling Windows, all they need to do is tell the manufacturers that they must ship a real Windows cd with the computer.

John

Unknown wrote:




Why blame Microsoft? How about the manufacturers? Get the facts of each case first. Example: One manufacturer provides instructions on recoveries and gives instructions on creating recovery CD's.
It is not Microsoft's responsibility nor do they have authority to dictate the shipment of the CD's.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uuRh7DjHIHA.4584@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




Without the XP setup CD it is next to impossible to properly maintain a Windows installation. That Microsoft permits manufacturers to ship Windows computers without this essential CD speaks volumes of what Microsoft thinks of its customers, not much!

You should be able to carry out Malke's instruction by using the setup floppy boot disks.

How to obtain Windows XP Setup boot disks
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310994/

Somehow I think that I already know what your next post is going to be...

John

chawdretto wrote:





cheers for the help again, but my comp didnt come with any windows xp cd when i bought it. it was already installed on it...is this a problem or should it have the cd?









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