Re: fall abrupt...

Check with any corporate attorney----they cannot edict a 'real' CD be
shipped.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, isn't that what this part of discussion was all about? Why are real
Windows cd's not shipped with new Windows computers? Manufacturers must
supply a (one) reinstallation method, Microsoft tells them which methods
are acceptable and leaves it to them to chose which reinstallation method
they will supply. If manufacturers wanted to include a real windows cd
they could and if Microsoft wanted manufacturers to include "real" Windows
cd with the sale of new Windows computers it could simply make it a
mandatory condition of the distribution agreement. The plain and simple
fact is that there are ulterior motives involved in the equation but I
can't mention them because if I do my posts are censored.

John

Unknown wrote:

Reread 'present rules'. I agree a restoration method is required but
shipping a CD is not.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Microsoft has censored three of my posts in this thread so obviously this
is a pretty touchy subject for them, they don't want their customers to
know what is going on with this. To engage in an open and frank
discussion on the subject the discussion will have to be taken to an .alt
group.

This is part of what I said in my last censored post:

"Of course they can! There is nothing illegal about it and that is how
they did it in the past. If you want to sell computers with Windows
installed on them you have to enter into an agreement with Microsoft.
Small system builders don't bother too much with this, they sell too few
machines or do not have the resources to comply with complicated
agreements so they just purchase generic (Microsoft) OEM disks and accept
the terms of the Small System Builders agreement, part of which
stipulates that they *must* include the generic OEM cd with the sale of
the computer. http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

The large OEM's have different agreements with Microsoft and part of
their agreement stipulates that they *must* include a method of
reinstalling Windows with the sale of the computer. The present rules
state that the reinstall method can be a real Windows CD (or a real copy,
that the manufacturer can stamp out itself), a manufacturer's
restoration/image CD or a service partition that contains the
installation files or an image. If the manufacturers don't comply with
the rules they cannot sell Windows software licenses. To put an end to
the problems Microsoft can simply state in its rules that the
manufacturers must supply a real cd."

But then maybe this post might also be in vain, it too may be censored...

John

Unknown wrote:


Sorry, they CANNOT do that. Illegal.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Of course Microsoft can dictate that real cd's be included with the
sale of new computers. They now dictate that the manufacturers must
include a method of reinstalling Windows, all they need to do is tell
the manufacturers that they must ship a real Windows cd with the
computer.

John

Unknown wrote:



Why blame Microsoft? How about the manufacturers? Get the facts of
each case first. Example: One manufacturer provides instructions on
recoveries and gives instructions on creating recovery CD's.
It is not Microsoft's responsibility nor do they have authority to
dictate the shipment of the CD's.
"John John" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Without the XP setup CD it is next to impossible to properly maintain
a Windows installation. That Microsoft permits manufacturers to ship
Windows computers without this essential CD speaks volumes of what
Microsoft thinks of its customers, not much!

You should be able to carry out Malke's instruction by using the
setup floppy boot disks.

How to obtain Windows XP Setup boot disks
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310994/

Somehow I think that I already know what your next post is going to
be...

John

chawdretto wrote:




cheers for the help again, but my comp didnt come with any windows
xp cd when i bought it. it was already installed on it...is this a
problem or should it have the cd?







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