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On 2007-08-16, HEMI-Powered <none@xxxxxxx> wrote:
student added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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Can't resist the comment about "getting a good grade" &
trolling.

I am a student, a "professional student", taking advantage of
the programs for people over 60 that is available in the state
university system & have read a few years back that such
programs are available at about 40 states. Going back to
school is wonderful & helps lessen some of the
narrow-mindedness of ourselves in different areas, at least it
is for me.

There's no such thing as a "professional student" unless you just
enjoy the pain of studying for the helluva it. But, yes, you did
troll us by pleading for help in a naive way without telling the
truth about what you were trying to accomplish, which is why I
whacked you. If you're going to be a pro student, then you'd best
learn how to do independent study of both printed and web/Usenet-
based literature and not try to con more experienced people into
doing your homework for you. That is ineffective in learning as
well as rude.

The "professional student" is my own comment on what I'm doing; just
like others "coined" their own descriptions of whatever including
the interpretation of meanings. I didn't "troll" nor did I ask
for help; it was a comment. "Independent study" appears to be
"googling" for answers which has another set of problems as
the results depend on how the the search is worded & in what
sequence. Telling people to google for answers imply that
the commentator believe the end-all & final answers are found
via google, even if the last comment found was a year or more
old.



My computer experience is admittedly old & dealing with
mainframes; & then the xfer of data between the pc, tandem,
dec & the mainframe. The pc's being used were as a substitute
for dumb terminals & documentation until at the end where it
was used for data collection.

However, it does seem no one admits to being on either
compuserve or genie isp's when microsoft had official support
forums prior to selling the forum names to the windows user
group in compuserve. I think that the absence of official ms
support in the newsgroups evolved because ms would hear about
too many bugs in the software where it would be difficult to
sweep under the rug & not get paid for the "free support".

I go back the the Comuserve days and I DID research the various
manufacturer's libraries, whatever they were called. Today, I go
directly to a manufacturer's web site or at least Google for an
answer. I only come to a support NG, this one or anyone, when
I've completely failed to find mention of my problem and I've
exhausted all attempts even after Googling my brains out.

The manufacturer's libraies only and not their forum mail or
whatever its called; I haven't found a manufacturer's libraries
contain any of the msgs on their forums.

Besides what I learned about learning in engineering school,
which I described to you in detail, I learned how to learn on my
diverse job assignments from rookie engineer to Senior Manager,
by taking classes, seminars, reading, and later, Internet
research. And, I GENTLY worked with those more knowledgeble than
me to learn, but NEVER just blindly hit them up for a solution
because /I/ wanted to figure it out on my own. When other people
do your work for you, and my daughter used to try to con me into
that through her entire 16 years of formal education, you really
do fail to grasp what is happening. Eistein said it best:

"Insanity is doing the same things and expecting a different
outcome." Get on the stick, learn the best methods for you to
learn whatever a pro student wants to, and go for it. I have had
a philsophy since my youth that I believe can be summed up this
way: learning is a lifetime endeavor. Today, besides Googling,
for non-technical things, I haunt cable news and the more factual
cable channels, but THEN /I/ verify the new information on my own
to decide if it is truth or fiction. Works well, give it a try.

It does appear you believe most/many questions for solutions in the
newsgroups are done by people who don't do any research for answers
& ask because of limited resources or believe that they hit a
"stone wall". The news media are commentators. Why do you think
I'm visiting various newsgroups? It is a source of info whether
accurate or not; have an open mind regarding to people posting
on the newsgroups even if there are exceptions.

The quote doesn't allow for external changes; guess whats been
happening regarding what has been done the "same way" for a very
long time. I even remember that, once the "noble elements" cannot
be combined with another element & believed for decades; until
a high school chem teacher accidently did it. There is no
guarrantee that everything can be done with 100% certainty
"forever", the insanity is to expect 100% certainty in
everything.

Remember about the book 1984? Supposedly a high dictorship
by the "conservatives" but I find that it is the "liberals"
& "consumer groups"/environmentalists who are doing the
dictating currently on what we do or eat or live or play
in lockstep.

BTW, I'm not taking any courses in the computer area
nor am I taking classes for grades.

And on considering where is the problem, the user doesn't usually
know if it is the os or app or driver. And considering the
interactions between all 3 areas, each is often pointing fingers at
the other for the fault and how is one to get "real" proof other
than asking questions & getting different answers from people
who are the knowledgeable experts?

The subject of SP3 caught my eye & naturally I become interested
on when it will be avaliable as well as what potholes one may
encounter. I finally updated to SP2 only because of new hardware
& re-install of winxp.

Once, I asked a question about why a couple of software vendors
were "pushing" SP2 when what I've read prior was that it was "all"
firewall & security & not needed; I was brushed off as a troll
even if the question is legitimate as it appeared to me that ms
wanted vendors to push SP2 as a dialogue would popup saying
there will be many problems if SP2 was not used.

Also read in this newsgroup that said framework 2.0 has everything
that 1.0/1.1 has & yet the Steet Atlas USA 2008 won't install without
1.1 installed........appears some people got info too late....



On 2007-08-15, HEMI-Powered <none@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

You need to get some facts straightened out. Windows is an
Operating System, not a printer driver. You appear to be
emotional rather than objective. Could very well have been a
virus? What was the solution?

Agreed. In ANY technical issue, or even seemingly benign
things like politics, I find it best to be the most factual
and the least emotional I can be. I have strong opinions,
demonstrably, but they are based on experience and not
getting bent outta shape for a truly minor problem, yet
blaming the entire thing on MS.

Seems to me that I accused "student" of trolling all of us so
he/she can get a good grade in some freshman computer science
class instead of doing controlled testing and diagnostics,
starting always with a comprehensive malware scan.

"student" <guest@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
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It would depend on the "few" bugs wouldn't it? like a
report that doesn't get printed because garbage was coming
out of the printer for that person on the lan printer?
especially the report was for the supervisor.....

ms support say reload the driver which was already done; ms
support say that there is a virus; user say text only files
can get printed just word docs produce garbage. ms suport
say call you back later & is never here from again.

A few bugs? I do hope windows isn't ever used on planes or
control equipment in hospitals. The os isn't ready to do
the things that ms claims if bugs & unreliability are
acceptable.

I now shudder that I heard in the news that it is intended
to have windows running some stuff in cars.......the
"accidents" happened, be reasonable, there are million
lines of code in windows, whats a few bugs...


On 2007-08-14, Unknown <unknown@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If indeed you were a programmer particularly a
micro-programmer then you should have enough experience to
recognize the complexity of an operating system plus all
the micro-code that operates the hardware. If you were in
development you would know that regardless of the amount
of testing some bugs will show up after release. How can
you possibly be so critical of a few bugs? Compare today's
PC's with those of just a few years ago. Be objective not
emotional. "HEMI-Powered" <none@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Xns998CAD067DE20ReplyScoreID@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Unknown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Wed at the hips----------???? Supposing you wrote the
OS. How would you control it and/or keep your customers
happy. Many companies write programs to run with XP (the
OS) and when a problem occurs, MS is immediately
blamed. Be objective.

Let's just say that I've been around MS more than long
enough, all the way back to the original PC that didn't
even have DOS, that came in with the XT, to understand
them pretty well. I don't mean to be vindictively
critical, but surely you will admit they have less than a
stellar record of their own releases, they have a rep for
hiding key parts of their various APIs even from those
who buy their development packages all the way back to
the SDK, reverse engineering of several versions of the
major components of MS Office have been found to contain
fairly large percentages of commands and API calls that
seem not to be documented, and MS like all commercial
companies reserves the rights to control its copyrighted
software and give "guidance" to developers.

I didn't say, BTW, that all problems are MS, I am not at
all that naive and not at all an anti-MS bigot to believe
that. Rogue and misbehaving applications, especially
systems utilities of all kinds, are rampant throughout
the 25 years since the first PC, they suffer from their
own bugs, side-effects bugs, and the rush to bring new
versions to market no matter what. This super
competitiveness all the way around makes for not only
strange bedfellows but interlocking dependencies that can
make full diagnosis of major or even minor systems issue
deceptively difficult.

I hung up my programmer clothes circa 1995 or so, thus I
am more than a little out-of-date for direct knowledge of
whence I speak, but in monitoring this and many other
NGs, I see no real signs of improvement, if anything, I
think the situation is deteriorating. I'm sorry if you
feel I am not being objective, let's just say that I am a
pragmatist and always suspicious of extravagent claims
from ANY developer on either side of problems. Thanks for
listening.

"HEMI-Powered" <none@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Unknown added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ...

Look closely at all the postings in this group. You'll
be amazed that most problems are not caused by MS but
by Non MS programs, reg cleaners, and virus
detect/scan protection? programs.

That may well be true, but the major developers are wed
at the hips body and soul to the God of Microsoft
because they must play ball or risk losing their
certification. But, it is certainly true that reg
cleaners in the hands of the novices will wreck an
otherwise good system and are more harm than good most
of the time.

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HP, aka Jerry






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