Re: Upgrade from Win XP HOME to PRO
- From: "Jack" <replyto@newsgroup>
- Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:59:43 -0400
It is completetely not true.
I have added Remote Desktop functionality to my XP HOME edition.
I am able to do remote desktop and I can offer remote assistance to the
people with need.
Jack
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jack wrote:
I have Win XP HOME installed on my computer.
The software is in tip-top condition. It has all Ms updates
installed, IE version 7 etc.
I have tried to upgrade it to Windows XP PRO edition.
All hell get loose. I lost my IE version 7 and most of the updates.
IE was not even listed in Startup menu!!!! not its icon on the
desktop etc. I have found the IE version 6 deeply hidden in the
folder on C drive.
My question is:
Is it possible to upgrade to PRO version and keep all the updates
including IE ver. 7 intact?
Why I need to reinstall all of that again?????
Has Ms lost its mind?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
No.
You have decided to upgrade from Windows XP Home Edition to
Windows XP Professional Edition for some reason (I guess you needed
the ability to join a domain or maybe you needed to be able to use
Remote Desktop?) and you chose to do it AFTER 5+ years of updates
to the currently installed (Windows XP Home Edition) OS. The CD
you used to upgrade *may* have had Service Pack 2 integrated (would
have to - otherwise you would have gotten a message about it in
doing a proper 'upgrade'...) but was unlikely to have the 80+ other
updates that have come since SP2. That would include Internet
Explorer 7 - and to my knowledge, there is no way to integrate that
into any Windows XP CD (and have it actually replace IE6.)
So - when you 'upgrade' your "circa 2001" OS (which has all the
current patches/updates through March 2007) to a different version
of the same OS (but the CD/data on the CD is still - at best -
"circa 2004") - then you get the 'circa 2004' results.
Is there a way around that? Not to my knowledge. While you can
make some wonderfully integrated and updated CDs - some
applications (IE7, Media Player 11, etc) were not designed to be
integrated into the original installation (although they can be
installed automagically during the installation - even at the T-13
minute stage) and thus an UPGRADE - even with one of the highly
updated CDs - will likely result in still needing many patches and
even updated software installations.
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Jack wrote:
You are a good Ms defendant but you did not convince me.
First off - I am not a Microsoft 'defendant'.
You asked a question - I gave you facts. I am not 'defending' anything.
You asked:
- Is it possible to upgrade to PRO version and keep all the updates
including IE ver. 7 intact?
- Why I need to reinstall all of that again?????
- Has Ms lost its mind?
- It is not possible to upgrade to Windows XP Professional from Windows XP
Home Edition and not have to reinstall Internet Explorer 7.0 if you had it
installed already.
- The way the upgrade works and replaces with what it sees to be the
legitimate files of Internet Explorer 6.x destroys the IE7 stuff. Media
Player XX was probably another problem area for you. Some updates you
probably got were only needed for Windows XP Professional. Many other
DLLs and the likes were overwritten with the 'correct version' in as far
as the installation media you had was concerned. Doing anything less
could introduce unknown versions (even hacked) into the system - or more
accurately -leave them there.
- Microsoft has not lost 'its mind' --> it is a corporation, it cannot (1)
and (2) you did/do not understand what technically was being done and
those facts have been (before or now) laid out before you to help you
understand what's going on when you are doing an 'upgrade of a MS
operating system'...
Convince you of what?
That you cannot get done what you want done in the way you want it done
and it's no ones fault?
You are right in that regard that I used Windows XP Pro disk with
SP2 included and that I needed to add the Remote Desktop
functionality to my Windows.
I never said that was 'the reason' - I listed two of the very few
(factual/technical) reasons one would need to go from Windows XP Home
Edition to Windows XP Professional Edition. You obviously have chosen one
of the two I listed. Great. *shrug*
But whatever you say I will not believe that the adding that
functionality needs all the updates I have up to date render
invalid.
You do not understand (are ignorant of) what the term 'upgrade' means in a
Windows OS then. Simple as that. If you wish to remain ignorant and add
stubborn - go ahead. Won't bother me in the least.
Research and discover that Internet Explorer is CLOSELY intertwined with
the operation of the rest of the OS. It uses components from Explorer and
the likes. It makes connections with several other functions of the
Operating Itself - when it comes to Windows XP. So - when you installed
Internet Explorer 7.0 on your Windows XP Home Edition installation - you
updated a LOT of things - not just the browser. Install a new version of
Netscape or Firefox - and you are just updating the application. Install
Internet Explorer 7 and it has to update all sorts of system files. And
since - as far as I know - there is no way to integrate Internet Explorer
7 (really integrate it...) into your Windows XP whatever installation
media - when the 'upgrade' occurs - it will overwrite many necessary files
with what it sees to be the legitimate ones - for IE6. Many of the shared
DLLs that Windows XP uses throughout will also get replaced with the
'safe' ones from the CD.
Could it be done better? Maybe - but that is not what you asked.
You asked if it was possible. It *is* possible in the broad sense. Maybe
you should get to work on that. In the specific 'what's available and
what is likely to happen' sense - no - it's not nor will it be. Windows
XP is a dying OS in its later years. Like everything else - it starts
dying the day it was created. You are looking at the twilight years of
Windows XP - so adding new features/methods to the OS is unlikely - at
best - expect patches.
If there ae such little differences between PRO and HOME why not
just add Remote Desktop and "the ability to join
a domain" and leave everything else intact?
Beats me.
A few reasons.
- More versions = more choices = different pricing levels.
(Windows XP... Home, Professional, Tablet PC, Media Center and x64...
Only the last has any real 'significant difference and/or requirements'
over the rest...)
- An end-user may never need a feature that would come installed/ready to
use in one version or another. Examples: You may not have a need to
connect your computer to your television. Guess you shouldn't buy/install
Media Center. You might not have a way to write on a touch-screen
computer - guess you don't need Tablet PC edition. You might not have a
64bit processor - guess you cannot use x64 edition....
That implies a different question.
Which files can I take from Windows XP PRO installed folder and put
into my HOME version to have Remote Desktop available?
None.
Cannot be done.
You cannot make Windows XP Home have a native Remote Desktop capability.
It is suggested you utilize third party tools (free!) to do this if you
have the need. UltraVNC is a flavor of VNC I recommend to those wanting
to get a full-featured remote control client/server setup on Windows XP
Home Edition without spending anything more than time and effort.
Windows XP Home Edition has the client capability (Remote Desktop) -- But
it does not/will not have the host/server capability.
I think, perhaps - you meant to ask something more along the lines of,
"Why does the upgrade process from a fully patched and updated Windows XP
Home Edition using a not-fully patched Windows XP Professional Edition CD
(installation media) not take into account the fact I have a fully patched
system and leave those applications alone...?"
The short answer - it was never coded (unlikely to ever be in XPs case) to
check the version against the latest on the web and verify the version you
have is the latest and thus - it doesn't replace it with the 'safe
version' from the CD - just lets it be.
I think, perhaps - you meant to ask something more along the lines of,
"Why didn't Microsoft code it so it could take such things into account -
and verify the versions I have are legitimate and later than the ones in
the upgrade versionn and use the ones I have instead?"
The short answer is - many factors, including that Windows XP is a year
2001 technology with year 2001 coding making it 5+ year old OS. Keeping
it and all of the installation media you could possibly get your hands on
at any given location (even if it has never been opened) is a huge
undertaking and likely pretty well impossible and depending on you having
a fast internet connection making the system of verification of file
versioning possible would be foolish at best. 2006/2007 is Windows Vista.
Windows XP is dying whether you and I want it to or not. You can hang on
as long as you like - but to expect anything more than duck tape and
bandaids for Windows XP - well - that's foolish at best as well.
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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