Re: the real reason behind why vista was made like it is
- From: "Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:57:09 -0400
Eight days later...
Yes, Linux desktop is a sad story.
If you have the vision of what an OS should be... get a job at MS or KDE or Gnome... or Apple.
There is no excuse for a crappy UI. You dislike the Vista UI but you're willing to cut KDE/Gnome developers slack because they don't have the funding of MS? That reasoning might lead one to believe that you own and drive a Yugo. On the rare occasion that you can find parts and a mechanic willing to go within 10 feet of the thing...
Yeah, shame on MS for not being perfect.
Lang
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message news:%23O6$dxt6GHA.4408@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
linux is another sad story (im talking about desktop use not server). No one seems to have
a vision on how a OS must be.... But her for linux you have the excuse that there is not much profit to make out of it.
Shame on Microsoft that had the time and resources
to make something stunning, yet they produced this vista, that is mediocure....(its horrible but anyway...)
"Lang Murphy" <langmurf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uvnTM6o6GHA.4620@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI don't know that I subscribe to your theory... that's fine...you're free to speak your mind.
Ultimately, if you have a 2 or 3 or 4 year old PC that's running XP fine... yeah, why upgrade? For me, there are two main reasons, and neither one of them has "Aero" in their name. Improved security. Is it perfect security? Nah... and it -is- improved when compared to XP. Second reason is using DirectX to draw the desktop. Less crashes due to graphics fubars and the cpu is freed from having to draw the desktop.
I admit, I don't have a 3 or 4 year old PC on which I want to install Vista. But I do have a 2 year old PC that runs Vista as well as, if not better than, the three new PC's running Vista here. If Vista is BloatWare... then I'd rather deal with BW than deal with the amateurish efforts put forth by the Linux vendors. And understand, that is not a dig on Linux. Fine OS if you want to spend most of your day diddling around with the OS just trying to change the resolution of your screen. lol.
Lang
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message news:%239xjy4n6GHA.3836@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxPeople in here still deny the bloat of vista, the slow speed and crappy GUI.
Sorry guys, either you have extremely fast machines, or you are stupid. Stupid as in blind, im not talking about IQ here.
However there is a hidden reason for the way vista was made. It has to do with economics.
You cant use the same computer for too long. In the past (up till a couple of years ago) after 6 months or even 1 year your computer was outdated and old... but after XP, and because of the thermal roof the CPUs hit with increasing the Mhz,
the computer industry could not recycle its customers so fast.... it was clear that people that had a computer
2 or 3 or even 4 years old could still use it very well with xp. This is why I think MS was pressured by
the hardware makers (because they in turn preinstall windows on the machines) to bloat vista up as
much as possible. I think this extreme bloat is done on purpose.... to artificially force people to renew
their computers. MS bloated with no real reason.. I am surprised why people cant see that simple fact....
the needs of the OS are far more than what would be needed for the new features added.
If the thermal problem did not exist the GHz would have increased exponentially in the time XP
existed, to 4, 8, 16, and 32 GHz.. just as the speeds doubled in the previous years..
but its not possible because higher frequencies make more heat.. and the cpus would fry. It has to do with technology and physics.
So the plan was to make a new OS that would push all the computer industry forward to sell. Yes its about money of course!
And this happened after they were able to mass produce multicore CPUs... the solution to the thermal problem with increasing the MHZ (or Ghz). You see with more cores you can have better cpu power but the heat does not increase so much as it would if you increased the ghz...At that same point when dual and now 4 cores are emerging, vista comes out bloated needs and with glass effects, demanding new computers.
Ati and nvidia wanted in on the game.. MS probably made agreements with them too, to make the new version of windows look good only if you had
powerful new GPUs. Its not by mistake that ATI and Nvidia wont release its driver code so open source OS like linux can make drivers...
Because thats what MS wants in return from ati and nvidia! Make the users need windows because with linux the drivers are not good enough,
and those os look crappy!
So for the people in here who claim vista is not bloated and slow.. they are delusional... of course it is like this by design, because you cant hold on
to your computer for too long. You see the market must increase in numbers of users, but a gigantic part of the market is people who change their computer..
but with XP around for so long, and the thermal problem, the market was not selling as much as they wanted it to.
But pay attention to what I will say now. I do not think this is bad! Although more people will be forced to change computers and they will
put their hands in there pockets deeper... the result will be that a new generation of far more powerful computers will emerge.
Some will have 12, 24 or even hundreds of cores in the cpu. New kinds of huge ram and permanent memories that will replace hard disks will emerge.
This would not be possible if we had a OS that would be extremely well designed and not bloated! lol
Of course this is not new.. this strategy has been used by Microsoft since day one, and this is why we have so powerful computers now at so low a price...
but with vista the change was more apparent, striking I would say, because of the time lag between releases and the stall the chip industry had to get around
the thermal problem.
So please... understand the underlying things going on.... and at last agree with me that vista is bloated and slow.... Because it is for a reason!
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