Re: Tested OK (How to prevent OE compaction and resulting folder corruption)

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Oh, wow man, what a relief!!! Everyones been really worried about it...been
talking about it all week!



"Michel Merlin" <michel.merlin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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My warning in my post of Sun 3 Sep 2006 14:09:40 GMT can be removed, after I
just made the tests. So my REG file does work reliably where it is intended
so (i.e. in Windows XP SP2 fully updated, currently around IE 6.0.2900.2180,
OE 6.00.2900.2180, depending on language, Home or Pro, ...). Here are the
details.

--ooOOoo--

My REG file works, either with the trailing blank line (in facts 2 "CR"s),
or without (just one Carriage Return), or with nothing after the last "0" in
"...dword:00000000" (thus zero "CR").

Which confirms that, as anyone could guess, the "argument" from Frank
Saunders (MS-MVP OE) to help himself and Ramesh (MS-MVP) stealing my file,
was simply that, an "argument" for theft, that himself obviously didn't
believe.

--ooOOoo--

BTW, in W2K US full updated to 18 Sep 2006 (thus SP4, IE 6.00.2800.1106, OE
6.00.2800.1807), the OE registry key:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0]

doesn't contain the "Compact Check Count" value at all, and OE when closing,
doesn't propose Compaction. So, this massive data loss ordered by OE
(through a Compaction at closing that most often will be interrupted), is
apparently one more aggravation of the security brought in WXP by its SP2 -
and one more instance where WXP SP2 is a backstep from W2K, in general
efficiency, and particularly in security - while *in name of Security*! Too
bad that MS people (from managers to "volunteers") are arrogant and stubborn
to the point of not recognize this blunder and correct it.

Also notice in W2K that the line "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00" is
unchanged, then it's better IMO to not follow Frank Saunders' Sat 2 Sep 2006
09:50:06 GMT suggestion of changing it into "REGEDIT4".

Paris, Wed 20 Sep 2006 10:32:45 +0200


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Subject: How to prevent OE compaction (and resulting folder corruption)

Please readers don't be diverted from the subject ...,
just apply my post of Fri 1 Sep 2006 21:53:10 GMT
news://msnews.microsoft.com/u06tFEhzGHA.4396@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
....

Here is the resulting advice:

To prevent data losses in OE, the 1st thing to do is to prevent
OE from forcing compaction against your will. For this, just
periodically reset to zero the "Compact Check Count" in
Registry.

To do that conveniently:
(Warning: this must be working and harmless, but the testing
I intent to do hasn't been done yet):

1) open a New Text document, name it "OE_No-Compact.reg"
2) fill it with the following contents (without the 2 fences
marked with "=" signs, but with the final blank line):

===== OE_No-Compact.reg BEG =====
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000

===== OE_No-Compact.reg END =====

3) replace "guid" with the actual number you find in the
relevant place in the registry
4) save the file
5) Double-click that file

Redo (5) once a month (or accordingly to your use), so to
prevent that "CCC" (Compact Check Count) from approaching 100
(it grows by 1 each time OE closes).

Paris, Sun 3 Sep 2006 16:09:40 +0200


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Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 15:59:15 +0200 (13:59:15 GMT)
Subject: Please read the thread, so to not conclude the wrong
way

This is a forum, not a classroom; the help flow is 2-way,
not oneway.

Those who feel never *receiving* help, most often are *giving*
less than others. Please read the thread, so to not conclude
the wrong way.

Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 15:59:15 +0200
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge
(Charles Darwin)


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Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 17:49:44 +0530 (12:19:44 GMT)
Subject: Re: So anyone can claim authorship of a file of yours,
provided he changes a character

Posting a question, asking for help, and then suddenly making a
wrong accusation about someone who is trying to help. This
surprised me about you.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


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Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 13:21:25 +0200 (11:21:25 GMT)
Subject: So anyone can claim authorship of a file of yours,
provided he changes a character

I keep in my records that you are allowing anyone to take a file
from you and, if he finds a character that he can harmlessly
change (for instance adding a blank line), even if not
apparently useful ("I don't know why we put a blank line at the
end"), then he can omit to cite you, and present himself as the
only author instead.

This surprised me about you.

Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 13:21:25 +0200


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From: "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" <franksaunders@xxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: Thanks - Didn't remember the "Merge" option in REG
file, so no overwriting

Michel Merlin wrote
1) « the one Ramesh gave »
is in facts *the one Michel Merlin gave*.

No they aren't. His has a blank line at the end and yours
doesn't.

.............

I don't know why we put a blank line at the end. Just that
everybody does.

BTW, .............


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Subject: Thanks - Didn't remember the "Merge" option in REG
file, so no overwriting

1) « the one Ramesh gave »
is in facts *the one Michel Merlin gave*.

MS "volunteers" seem to be in a bad case of NIHS
(Not Invented Here Syndrom).

2)
« Note that both mine and Ramesh' have a blank line at the end.
Close OE, right click compactCount.reg and choose Merge »

Thanks for these 2 infos, very useful to me:

- I hadn't noticed the blank line at end;
- learning that there is a choice for "Merge" makes me
more comfortable executing that file of mine (even if
some risk remain anyway given experience...).

Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 11:36:25 +0200


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Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 02:21:55 -0500 (07:21:55 GMT)
Subject: Re: How to change a single value in Registry with a
simple file?

This one should work, although with the one Ramesh gave
it would be more specifically for WinXP:
Save the parts between the lines as compactCount.reg
------------------------------------------------------------------------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note that both mine and Ramesh' have a blank line at the end.
Close OE, right click compactCount.reg and choose Merge.
Also note that with the updates for OE that you have the
Compact Check Count will be set to zero every time you do a
File | Folder | Compact All.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
security, deserve neither liberty or security"


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Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 23:53:10 +0200 (21:53:10 GMT)
Subject: Can I simply execute a REG file cleaned down to
a single value?

I mean, I have cleaned the 47KB "OE_No-Compact.reg" file, so its
size and contents are now just 374 bytes and:

--- OE_No-Compact.reg BEG ---
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
Express\5.0]
"Compact Check Count"=dword:00000000
--- OE_No-Compact.reg END ---

Can I safely double-click that "OE_No-Compact.reg" file each
time I want to reset the "Compact Check Count" to zero, and
remain sure that this will alter nothing else in the OE key?

Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 23:53:10 +0200


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Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 18:41:25 +0200 (16:41:25 GMT)
Subject: How to change a single value in Registry with a
simple file?

Thanks for this very useful fix.

Maybe you could help me for another one:
In "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID}\
Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0",
I want to reset the "Compact Check Count" to zero, with just
double-clicking a file.

Unfortunately with a REG file I know how to change a whole key,
not a single value. Maybe by just removing al but the said value
in the key? But for acting in Registry, I prefer asking than
trying.

If you could show me how to build the file for "Compact Check
Count", it would greatly help me (for this example and later
ones).

Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 18:41:25 +0200


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" <franksaunders@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wed 14 Jun 2006 20:07:43 -0500 (Thu 15 Jun 01:07:43 GMT)
Subject: Re: XP And My Mouse

Search or Command Prompt opens when double clicking a folder
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_folder_open.htm

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
security, deserve neither liberty or security"


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Sent: Wed 14 Jun 2006 20:30:33 -0500 (Thu 15 Jun 01:30:33 GMT)
Subject: XP And My Mouse

Group,
I have XP Home and my mouse act a bit funny. When I
double-click a folder, instead of opening the folder, I get the
Serarch Results box which is what I would use if I wanted to
fine a file or folder. But if I right-click and select Open,
the folder opens. What do I do to correct this. I went to the
Logitech driver and could not find a reasonable setting that
makes this happen. Your thoughts on fixing this problem.

Tony


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