Size vs usefulness (and kindness)

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Just see which posts did increase the bloat, and by how much:

- ICU "Re: WinXP Home and temporary internet files folder and content.ie5 folder" Sat 2 Sep 20:47 = 1KB
- Wesley Vogel "Re: WinXP Home and temporary internet files folder and content.ie5 folder" 21:05 = 4KB
- Michel Merlin "How do I turn blue a link I don't want any more in my cache?" Tue 5 Sep 13:26 = 6KB
- Wesley Vogel "Re: How do I turn blue a link I don't want any more in my cache?" 18:40 = 11KB
- Michel Merlin "MS needs learn what a web cache is" Wed 6 Sep 06:09 = 17KB

Then please dig in to see which were useful and kind or not
Then please see where is yours according to the ratio "helpfulness/size"

Paris, Wed 6 Sep 2006 15:46:15 +0200


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From: "Bob I" <birelan@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wed 06 Sep 2006 08:10:42 -0500 (13:10:42 GMT)
Subject: Re: MS needs learn what a web cache is

Ah yes, more bloat and exploits. Thats what a browser needs more of.


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From: "Michel Merlin" <michel.merlin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wed 6 Sep 2006 08:09:30 +0200 (06:09:30 GMT)
Subject: MS needs learn what a web cache is

« This is shorter.

%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 »

and its better (a single shortcut should work for any user). Thanks.

Now I would like that window opens with the "Folders" pane open on the left (currently it opens with no "Explorer Bar").

« You can't. The items that make up a web page are scattered
through out the four folders that are listed under Content.IE5.
.............. »

First, yes I have 4 random-8-char-named folders in Content.IE5 today on my recent laptop, but I have had many more (up to ~15), many times, even recently. Now I can't know the exact mechanism since it is intentionally hidden by MS - and I don't care; what I do care is what MS has to provide me through the said mechanisms.

Second, sure MS can do what I am requesting. It's obvious for links to single files as JPG and GIF, and almost obvious for others.

When I go offline then click a few links I just visited:

- 1 of 4 links are 404-ed;
- 2 of 3 display immediately, completely and perfectly;
- the few others display, yet not immediately or not completely.

So, IE obviously can reach very quickly *ALL* the files that are called by the link - and should be able to remove them all just as easily and quickly - whatever the mechanism they are cached.

If IE should remove all the involved files or just the mother file (the file directly called), is not an issue:

- if all, then the files called by other mother pages would just have to be re-loaded once;
- if just the mother file, the daughter files would just bloat the cache if called by no other mother files - which would make less bloat than currently anyway.

« Clear out your Temporary Internet Files folder,
visit a web page, now look at Content.IE5...
... I empty the contents of the TIF *several* times a day...
... Set IE to delete the TIF every time you close IE...
etc, etc... »

One can wonder why MS (whether staff or "volunteers") is so constantly repeating those indefensible "arguments" against anything that would be a change, an evolution, particularly a progress, particularly empowering the end user, particularly uncrippling the end user's web cache. And against any real memorizing or thinking...

First, clearing the cache is destroying a lot of information (may be 100MB). If so big information can be "cleared" for so futile reasons or tests, then why would it be useful in the first place? This sort of advice was ridiculous in 1993, it is beyond ridiculous in 2006. I *never* destroyed my cache on any PC in 12 years - and I think this is a reason why I had less troubles than some pretend or report. I limited it to 100MB in the years when IE was unable to properly handle bigger; I now keep the default max (625MB today). I often happen to reach instantly a page months old that is still in my cache - and of course I can always refresh it instantly (<F5>) if I so chose.

Second, web cache is a memory. If you decide to not retain in memory anything older than one day, then you decide to go back to the level of evolution and thinking of pre-History eras. There are plenty pages on the web that load very slowly, and that are nevertheless interesting and useful and worth referring many times. Your way you have to wait for them each time. Or you decide to rarely revisit something - or to not think or rethink or compare or research... It is really appalling to see someone you assumed somewhat educated, advocating in 2006 behaviors like destroying a memory as necessary and highly used as a web cache. But unfortunately it's not surprising from people (as journalists, webmasters, ...) accustomed to never think deeper than one-day-memory (or their "paper" will come after the deadline). What you are advocating here is never use information older than one day - IOW, just soviet-era brain washing.

« IMO, everyone's ideas on how something should work just makes the
programmers for that something add useless stuff for everyone else
who has different ideas. <shrug> »

This is just the parlance heard, in any age, from the makers unable to really understand their customers and their needs, as a pretext to refuse any progress. The "<shrug>" serves just to still more outline the disdain you have toward the MS *customers* - i.e. towards the very people from whom you live. Remember: the more one is unable to understand others, the more he disdains them. Said Darwin: "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

« Also have a look at these settings. I have mine set to Never.
[.... etc, etc: 40 lines of explanations...] »

I am hardly believing my eyes. Please look at your calendar: we are in 2006, not in 1993. You are speaking to the virtual user that webmasters love to invent: Pentium 10GHz, 22", spending 10h a day watching a single IE window, that opens (in 800×600 pix) on a single site (the webmaster's one), or even a single page, and uses "Automatically". Please think of the real world users, of whom most have constantly and intensively surfed with "Never" for a decade now, with ~30 windows open concurrently (~20 being IE or OE), on a 15" WXGA (1280×800).

In conclusion, I am deeply disappointed by your reply. I imagined you several levels higher than this. You are defending the indefensible. Of course my request is possible, easy, and required. If Microsoft was still the swift "micro-soft" of 1980, this would be done even before discussing it. Please Microsoft quit CAA (Corporate Administrative Attitude) and come back to your former SEA (Swift Entrepreneurial Attitude).

Paris, Wed 6 Sep 2006 08:09:30 +0200


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From: "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue 5 Sep 2006 12:40:42 -0600 (18:40:42 GMT)
Subject: Re: How do I turn blue a link I don't want any more in my cache?

Hi Michel,

C:\Documents and Settings\{Username}\Local Settings\
Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5

This is shorter.

%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5

Now pardon me for another question: how do I *easily and right on the
spot* delete a selected web page from the cache?

You can't. The items that make up a web page are scattered through out the
four folders that are listed under Content.IE5. Those items are listed
alphanumerically in each of the random names folders along with what ever
other items are in those folders. Along with items from Outlook Express,
Help and Support, System Information or whatever else has placed files in
the Temporary Internet Files folders. You would have to know what all of
the items were in order to delete them one at a time.

Try this.

Clear out your Temporary Internet Files folder, visit a web page, now look
at Content.IE5. Look through the random name folders and see how the items
are scattered about.

Instead of "You can't", I should have said it would be difficult.

IMO, everyone's ideas on how something should work just makes the
programmers for that something add useless stuff for everyone else who has
different ideas. <shrug>

I empty the contents of the TIF *several* times a day. And I have the Cache
set at 1MB, the lowest setting I can get. The stuff is *temporary*, it
needs to get gone when I am through looking at it.

Set IE to delete the TIF every time you close IE and the web page(s) will be
totally refreshed whenever you visit again.

If you want, try this: Open IE | Tools | Internet Options | Advanced tab |
Scroll down to the bottom | Check: Empty Temporary Internet Files folder
when browser is closed | Click Apply | Click OK. Entirely up to you, but if
you want to be rid of this, it is done automatically. Deletes the content
of %userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files but not the
Content.IE5 or Content.MSO folders.

Also have a look at these settings. I have mine set to Never.

Internet Explorer | Tools | Internet Options | General tab |
Settings button | Check for newer versions of stored pages:

* Every visit to the page
[[Specifies that when you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet
Explorer should check to see whether the page changed since you last viewed
it. If the page has changed, Internet Explorer displays the new page and
stores it in the Temporary Internet Files folder. Note that selecting this
option can slow down browsing between pages you have already
viewed.]]

* Every time you start Internet Explorer
[[Specifies that when you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet
Explorer should not check to see whether the page has changed since you last
viewed it. Internet Explorer will check for new content only when you return
to a page that was viewed in an earlier session of Internet Explorer or on a
previous day. Selecting this option can speed up browsing through pages you
have already viewed. If you want to see the most current version of a
specific page, even when this option is selected, open the page, click the
Refresh button on the toolbar.]]

* Automatically
[[Specifies that when you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet
Explorer should not check to see whether the page has changed since you
last viewed it. If you select this, Internet Explorer will check for new
content only when you return to a page that was viewed in an earlier session
of Internet Explorer or on an earlier day. Over time, if Internet Explorer
determines that images on the page are changing infrequently, it will check
for newer images even less frequently. Selecting this option can provide
the most speed when browsing through pages you have already viewed. If you
want to see the most current version of a specific page, even when this
option is selected, return to the page, and then click the Refresh button on
the toolbar.]]

* Never
[[Specifies that when you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet
Explorer should never check to see whether the page has changed since you
last viewed it. Selecting this option speeds up browsing between pages you
have already viewed. If you want to see the most current version of a
specific page, even when this option is selected, open the page, click the
Refresh button on the toolbar.]]

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User


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From: "Michel Merlin" <michel.merlin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue 5 Sep 2006 13:26:20 +0200 (11:26:20 GMT)
Subject: How do I turn blue a link I don't want any more in my cache?

Wesley, I am keeping your shortcut for:

C:\Documents and Settings\{Username}\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5

Now pardon me for another question: how do I *easily and right on the spot* delete a selected web page from the cache?

I mean, I visit some reference page, e.g. an Yahoo one, with plenty links, of which I regularly use only a small set, most often unchanged (the pages do change, the set doesn't, or little).

When I come back, thanks to the blue/purple colors for new/visited, I see in a glance which ones I usually visit, since they are in my cache hence purple.

But when I visit a new one, and after reading it I decide to not add it to my set, then how do I return its link to blue? IOW, how do I delete that exact web page from the cache, while keeping all the other ones?

I think such a feature would be very useful to everyone. It should even be required by the blue/purple system, and it is for lack of it that so many sites drop the color system and make all links same color, visited or not - which makes the mother page prettier to see for the webmaster, but less useful for the users.

Paris, Tue 5 Sep 2006 13:26:20 +0200


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From: "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 15:05:04 -0600 (21:05:04 GMT)
Subject: Re: WinXP Home and temporary internet files folder and content.ie5 folder

Content.IE5 is Hidden and made from smoke.

To view:
%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Paste this in the box:

%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Click OK.

To view:
%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files | View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %tmp% | Click OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

Or...

Start | Run | Paste this in the box:

%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5

Click OK.
You can also view Content.MSO

Or...
Start | Run | Paste this in the box:

%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.MSO

Click OK.

You maybe can delete Content.IE5, but if you do it will just be recreated.

You do not have to *see* the Content.IE5 folder to delete its contents.

To delete *all* of your Temporary Internet Files...

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | Click OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop
Or Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. Also close OE.

2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files

3) Check the box: Delete all offline content {This cleans >> %userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
AND %userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
and \Content.MSO (Created by an MS Office program)}

4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files

5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

6) You can also click on the Clear History button to empty your History folder.

Note: If you do NOT select the Delete all offline content box, not everything will be cleaned out.

If you want, try this: Open IE | Tools | Internet Options | Advanced tab | scroll down to the bottom |
check: Empty Temporary Internet Files folder when browser is closed | Click Apply | Click OK.
Entirely up to you, but if you want to be rid of this, it is done automatically. Deletes the content of %userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files but not the Content.IE5 or Content.MSO folders.

Also: Start IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab | Days to keep pages in history: 0 | Click Apply | Click OK

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User


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From: "ICU" <ICU@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sat 02 Sep 2006 20:47:42 GMT
Subject: Re: WinXP Home and temporary internet files folder and content.ie5 folder

How does the folder Content.IE5 get into the Temporary Internet Files folder?
I'm asking because for some time now Eudora on some messages has been looking for files in this folder and there is no such folder in the Temporary Internet Files folder.
I don't know if there ever was such a folder or it's been been accidently deleted, but I don't see how it could have been deleted since it won't even allow me to create a Content.IE5 folder so why should it allow it to be deleted.
Inquiring minds want to know.

TIA

ICU
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