Re: not genuine Windows

On Wednesday 16 August 2006 11:25 am, Leythos had this to say in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

In article <pan.2006.08.16.16.11.56.87431@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:10:54 +0000, Leythos wrote:

In article <pan.2006.08.16.03.44.22.28537@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:57:01 +0000, Leythos wrote:

In article <ebtql65hnn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, nostop@xxxxxxxxxx
says...
More FUD from Fanboy. Tell us what CPUs Windoze runs on and compare
that with Linux. "Best desktop OS" my ass. You sure do live a
sheltered life, don't you? Totally clueless about what's out there
now.

You remind me of another it10t that was banned from these groups
under a specific NIC, in fact you could be his twin.

If you want to see for yourself, take Mandrake, Suse, Fedora, and
Windows XP, put 4 computers side by side, same hardware/firmware on
each, make sure that you have a good video card for games/cad, a big
drive, a nice GB eithernet adapter, a Video Capture device, a Color
Laser Printer, a nice sound card, and 2GB RAM. Now start your
install, side by side, and then start testing applications with the
same type of documents - you can even export your Word documents to
RTF and your Power Point slides to PDF.....

Funny thing is that you'll have the XP box and MS Office installed
with all patches before Fedora even finishes updating from yum.....
The others are a crapshoot as to how long they will take, but in
testing, over a couple different instances, it takes longer to
load/setup/patch the three Linux distros than the XP + Office 2003 +
Upates.

Have you ever actually *installed* Fedora? I'd like to see you try to
install 100 commercial applications under Windows before I could
install 2,000 under Fedora.

However it's not about speed of installation. In designing Windows,
Microsoft sacrificed long-term stability and security for an immediate
flattening of the learning curve. Windows *is* easier up front, but
you pay down the road in maintenance time and lessened security. Linux
takes more work to get set up but once you have it configured it'll
sit there for years with very little maintenance.

Yes, have it running on 3 workstations - and if you notice, I said +
Updates. Why can't you comprehend all of what is written?

I comprehend fine. You just don't know as much as you think you do about
Linux. See my note at the bottom about Fedora being a development
distribution.

Seem every post where I mention Fedora, Mandrake, Suse.

I clearly was able to install XP Prof, MS Office Prof, and all service
packs from the net in much less time than it took to complete the same
on any of the Fedora boxes (or Mandrake/Suse either).

Then your comparison is strongly biased in some way. I just installed
Debian-based Ubuntu on another HD. It took 30 minutes and included about
a thousand popular applications and utilities, including OpenOffice.
Updating all those applications was a single command: "sudo apt-get
update". The updates took about 15 minutes.

Again, see where I've clearly stated Fedora, Mandrake and Suse. Oh, and
I installed as many applications that I wanted, including OO, and even
CrossOver with Office 2000/XP.

Before that I was playing with Novell's SLED, which is based on SuSE. It
comes with OpenOffice and many other office tools bundled in.
Installation took about an hour including grabbing the latest security
updates.

My experience has been different, in one install, about the 8th time I
did Fedora Core 4, it took 5 hours to download the updates. With FC5 it
took more than 3 hours. With Mandrake 10, again, just updating what was
installed, it took more than 3 hours.

The killer was the udpates, they took hours to pull down.

I've seen individual Windows updates that were larger than the Linux
kernel and core utilities. You were probably updating all the
applications that come with Fedora but not Windows.

No, I was updating what was installed, the same as doing a Microsoft
Update, which includes XP and Office updates.

Updates are a weekly thing on Fedora, at least if you check.

Of course. Fedora is a testing distribution designed to try new ideas and
work the bugs out of bleeding-edge code. You get a lot of updates when
you use a development distro. If you want less updating then you need to
use a distribution designed for stability rather than to test code. That
would be Debian, Slackware, Redhat Enterprise Linux, CentOS, or Novell's
new SLED, among others.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but the updates, at least every two weeks, was
the same for Mandrake 10 and for Suse at the time. I only use FC5
currently.

So, you can comment about all the OTHER distros you want, but I've
clearly stated that FC4/5, Mandrake, Suse took several hours MORE than
Windows XP + Office 2003 + Updates, and until you do it yourself you
can't tell me that it's not true.

Well, I've updated Mandrake and the speed of downloads will depend on what
mirror you've pointed urpmi to use, you idiot. So you picked a slow
(probably university) server that is throttled down and dishes out
downloads at 56KB/sec. That's only because you're so damn stupid. Don't
blame the o/s, as they like to say around this newsgroup.

And no, you can't compare "Windows XP + Office 2003 + Updates" with a distro
like Mandrake/iva and it's 18,000 software packages when it comes to
updates. I know that XP+Mickeyware is bloated, but it still doesn't come
close to filling your computer up with the functionality one gets from a
typical Linux distro.




--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSn-jBA3CE

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/

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