Re: Registry tweak?

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...had too many beers watching England qualify for the last 16, to make any intelligent suggestions tonight, other than perhaps using it as opportunity to learn / brush up on a bit of assembly language and hack the stupid registry writing routine out of the program....

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Jon

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"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:e0MYT3HlGHA.3816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jon, I executed *exactly* as you described in your email. I even repeated the process several times to be certain that I had completed the process properly. After removing the last checkmark, the reference to MS S&T instantly appears that had previously been deleted. I will boot to the safe mode and will execute the process. I will advise you of the outcome.

"Jon" <Email_Address@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uLdSv9AlGHA.3440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Odd . Ensure that you've unchecked the "Full Control" setting for *all* users listed in the permissions box for that ShellNew key,even your own Administrator account, before clicking ok and closing Regedit - otherwise once you close up regedit it will be re-added, as you say.

To delete the entries in the right pane, you will need to re-check the "Full control" setting for your own account, (depending on the error message of course).

Closing any instances of MS S&T currently open may also help and / or trying it in Safe mode.

If none of that works, then yes, something pretty weird is going on.


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Jon

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"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OJvB7wAlGHA.4512@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jon, There are two entries for this key. One is under HKEY_CURRENT_USER and the second one is under HKEY_USERS. When I do as you instructed in the order you presented below, the entire key is replicated as soon as I complete the last check removal under permissions. I started at HKEY_CURRENT_USER first, and after observing this phenomenon, I started with the key under HKEY_USERS. It makes no difference where I start, the key is immediately replicated upon un-checking the last box under permissions. After the key is replicated, I am unable to delete the reference to Microsoft Streets and Trips Map on the right hand pane. Weird doesn't even begin to describe this annoyance.

"Jon" <Email_Address@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OF51vXAlGHA.1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
This may do the trick....

This particular registry key holds what is *currently* displayed in the New menu, so removing relevant permissions on the key can stop anything new from being added.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Discardable\PostSetup\ShellNew

[Set a Restore point, as precaution, which would reverse the following]

Navigate to the key, and right-click > Delete any entries in the right pane, that you wish to remove, such as the Streets & Trips entry

Right-click the "ShellNew" key in the left pane, for the above key > Permissions > Advanced
Uncheck the "Inherit from parent....." and then choose "Copy" (not "Remove")

Then right-click the key > Permissions and uncheck the "Full Control" for each category (Administrators, System etc), leaving the "Read" option checked.

[NB Might also be a good idea to note the current permission settings on the key, for the various categories, should you wish to make changes in the future, or reverse the process, without resorting to System Restore etc]


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Jon

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"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ugtKov7kGHA.4816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have had no luck "fooling" the MS S&T. Any alterations provokes the program to re-write the registry key. I feel certain that there is a method to achieve what I am needing, but I am at a loss as to what it would be. Thanks for all of your help and suggestions.

"Jon" <Email_Address@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23IasOekkGHA.1508@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
No problem - I've got the thread bookmarked.

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Jon

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Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

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"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OMLnkiZkGHA.4224@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jon, I have been camping since Wednesday and just returned home. I will give your suggestions a try, and get back to you with the results.


"Jon" <Email_Address@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uBbbm3%23jGHA.4148@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
An alternative approach would be to try and fool MS S&T into thinking the key already exists and hence that there is no need to try and re-add it. The success of this would depend on how thoroughly it checks that the ShellNew key has been correctly added.

So, for example you could delete just the subvalue of ShellNew, which might be 'NullFile', (or 'config', 'filename', 'command', 'data' ). After opening the New menu a couple of times, the entry should have disappeared. That *may* be sufficient to fool the program into thinking that the key already exists and hence that there is no need to re-add it, when the program is run. I don't use the program myself, so I can't test it.

Other possibilities might include (assuming an 'xyz' extension for MS S&T and that the value of the "(default)" key at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\.xyz is 'xyzdefaultvalue' )


(1) Open up the text for the '(default)' key at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\xyzdefaultvalue
and remove the text (ie double-click it, remove the text and close it)

[NB Don't remove the text for the '(default)' value at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\xyz ]

OR

(2) Delete this key if it exists and also do step (1)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\xyzdefaultvalue\FriendlyTypeName

[NB Make suitable exports of the above registry keys, if you wish to restore them to their original condition later. ]


Jon


"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:eQRLyp9jGHA.3304@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
For **every** other Microsoft program (e. g. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc., and others like Adobe Reader, when clicking on the document template in TweakUI to remove the checkmark, the utility renames the Shellnew key to Shellnew-. This ends the process of adding the application to the context menu under "New." However for MS Streets and Trips, TweakUI actually deletes the key. If I manually rename the key to Shellnew- in the registry, MS streets and Trips adds a new Shellnew key adjacent to the renamed Shellnew- key as you have stated below.

I was hoping to find a way to keep the MS S&T application from adding a new key each time it opens. That hope is becoming the impossible dream. I guess it is time to say, "uncle."


"Jon" <Email_Address@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u$3D4C4jGHA.4212@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"P. H. Allen" <phasr1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uBohBB1jGHA.5036@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


....... I have been using TweakUI to handle
the problem ..............

.......Those keys can be controlled with an entry which will determine true(1) or
false(0) and I needed to know how to implement the modification. It seems
that no one seems to have that knowledge at this newsgroup, or they are remaining
silent.


Ok, I can see now how you may have gained the impression from TweakUI that there is a simple on /off switch for 'New menu' entries.

What TweakUI does, when toggling the New menu entry between enabled and disabled, is to rename the aforementioned 'ShellNew' key, *for a particular extension* to 'ShellNew-', (ie it puts a hyphen on the end of it). - thus rendering the registry entry , *for that particular extension only* invalid.

eg for an extension, say xyz,

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\.xyz\ShellNew
[or what is the same
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.xyz\ShellNew ]
it is renamed to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\.xyz\ShellNew-

To delete the entry it removes the ShellNew key entirely.

When you run TweakUI, as well as noting 'ShellNew' keys, it also highlights the 'ShellNew-' keys, and presents them to you as disabled forms of the previous.

However, it would be a simple matter for a program to readd a legitimate 'ShellNew' key, which is what you are observing.


Jon


















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  • Re: Registry tweak?
    ... that was a persistant New menu entry! ... users listed in the permissions box for that ShellNew key,even your own Administrator account, before clicking ok and closing Regedit - otherwise once you close up regedit it will be re-added, as you say. ... To delete the entries in the right pane, you will need to re-check the "Full control" setting for your own account,. ... Right-click the "ShellNew" key in the left pane, for the above key> Permissions> Advanced ...
    (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)
  • Re: Registry tweak?
    ... complete the last check removal under permissions. ... thoroughly it checks that the ShellNew key has been correctly added. ... After opening the New menu a couple of times, the entry ... However for MS Streets and Trips, TweakUI actually deletes the key. ...
    (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)
  • Re: Registry tweak?
    ... When I do as you instructed in the order you presented below, the entire key is replicated as soon as I complete the last check removal under permissions. ... This particular registry key holds what is *currently* displayed in the New menu, so removing relevant permissions on the key can stop anything new from being added. ... Right-click the "ShellNew" key in the left pane, for the above key> Permissions> Advanced ... PowerPoint, etc., and others like Adobe Reader, when clicking on the document template in TweakUI to remove the checkmark, the utility renames the Shellnew key to Shellnew-. ...
    (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)
  • Re: Registry tweak?
    ... When I do as you instructed in the order you presented below, the entire key is replicated as soon as I complete the last check removal under permissions. ... This particular registry key holds what is *currently* displayed in the New menu, so removing relevant permissions on the key can stop anything new from being added. ... Right-click the "ShellNew" key in the left pane, for the above key> Permissions> Advanced ... PowerPoint, etc., and others like Adobe Reader, when clicking on the document template in TweakUI to remove the checkmark, the utility renames the Shellnew key to Shellnew-. ...
    (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)
  • Re: Registry tweak?
    ... This particular registry key holds what is *currently* displayed in the New menu, so removing relevant permissions on the key can stop anything new from being added. ... The success of this would depend on how thoroughly it checks that the ShellNew key has been correctly added. ... After opening the New menu a couple of times, the entry should have disappeared. ... However for MS Streets and Trips, TweakUI actually deletes the key. ...
    (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)