Re: Cloned my HD successfully but the 2nd. attempt was a failure
- From: wumply <wumply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:50:27 -0800
"Anna" wrote:
Anna...Hi:
"wumply" <wumply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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To supply the background to my post will mean a long post. So if you
choose
to read it and respond, allow me to express my appreciation in
advance.
I am running XPSP2.
Back in Dec. 05 I cloned my original Samsung HD to a brand new and
unused
Seagate drive. (The Samsung was my only drive in the system until I
stuck
the Seagate in.) I do not recall that I set the Seagate up as
slave...if
I
didn't I probably should have. Anyway I connected it to the same
cable as
the Samsung, plugged in the power cable and cloned it successfully
with
Acronis. I am pretty sure I did not have to activate at this time;
however I
did have to activate the Seagate (at the time my only and master
drive)
after
a Repair Install a la michaelstevenstech.
But...going back, after my successful clone I took the Seagate out,
stored
it and put the Samsung back in. All was as before for a while. But
then
several things got screwed up and I took the Samsung out and put the
Seagate
in its place--as master. Everything was hunky dory. I did add
Irfanview
and
Roxio Easy Media Creator 7.0--no problem with that.
Now I thought: "OK, I should now clone my Seagate to my old Samsung
as I
don't have an emergency copy HD stored away." So I put the Samsung
back in
as
slave. This time I installed Norton Ghost 2003 (as the 15-day trial
Acronis
period has ended back in December.) Both master Seagate and Samsung
slave
worked just fine.
I now attempted to clone the Seagate to the Samsung. But it did not
clone.
I got the message "Invalid Destination Drive...error 11030." I
foundno
helpfrom Symantec re this error. it seemed reasonable to try
formatting
the
Samsung since the files and data I wanted were on the Seagate anyway.
Thus I
right clicked on the Samsung (in this case the G drive) and did a
quick
format. Then I tried again with Ghost 2003 to clone. I got the same
error
message as before. From an online site I found this: "The problem
occurs
because the hard drive has been changed. Did you install another HD?
Is
the
present HD installed correctly? (my note: answer to both questions:
'Yes').
Check if the present HD is bad using the manufacturer's utility
check." i
Itried but was unable to run such a check, perhaps because Samsung no
longer
makes that particular HD--it is 4 years old.
In all this I have changed none of my hardware...i.e. printers,
scanners,
flashcard reader etc.
So my questions:
1.) Is my Samsung junk?
2.) Is it likely that the clone failure had something to do with XP
activation?
3.) XP requires I go into the Recovery Console to run chkdsk. Would
you
recommend that?
4.) What avenues are open to me to try to get my Seagate cloned?
Start
with a brand new HD ($50)? Buy Acronis (I mean it worked before.
Also
$50
But why when I have Ghost 2003?). What do you suggest...do I have
some
good
options? I should much prefer not to get into multiple command line
parameters that may or may not work, or into situations that get
involved
and
require endless back and forth posts with negative results or "Now
What's"
for that can take a month of Sundays.
Thank you.
"Anna" wrote:
wumply:
1. The first thing you should do is download Samsung's HD diagnostic
utility
(Shdiag.exe) available from their website at
http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/shdiag.htm
It should be able to test your four-year-old Samsung HD.
If the drive checks out defective, then that's the end of that...
If it checks out OK...
2. Whatever clone failure you encountered has nothing to do with the XP
activation feature.
3. I don't understand your comment that "XP requires I go into the
Recovery
Console to run chkdsk." Are you saying that when you boot to your
Seagate
HD, you're getting some sort of message to that effect? Assuming your
secondary Samsung HD is disconnected, are you able to boot to your
Seagate
without any problem? Is it functional in all respects?
Assuming there are no problems with your source & destination disks,
i.e.,
they're both non-defective and the contents of your source disk (as it
involves the XP OS) contain no system files corruption, and both drives
are
properly connected, i.e., the motherboard's BIOS detects both drives,
there's no reason why a valid clone cannot be created with the Ghost
2003
program (or with the Acronis True Image program for that matter). I
assume
that when you attempted your cloning operation you disconnected any
other
storage device from your computer other than the source & destination
disks.
And that includes your "flashcard reader", right?
Anna
"wumply" responds...
Ann:================
Thanks for your reply and promptness.
-------------
My comment re having to go into Recovery Console to run chkdsk caem from
XP's Help and Support, which read: "The chkdsk comand with the parameters
listed below is only available when you are using the Recovery Console,
viz:
chkdsk[drives] [/p] [/r]
Parameters
None
Used without parameters, chkdsk displays the status of the disk in the
current drive:
Specifies the drive that you want chkdsk to check.
/p
Performs an exhaustive check even if the drive is not marked for chkdsk
to
run. This parameter does not make any changes to the drive.
/r
Locates bad sectors and recovers readable information. Implies /p.
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I assumed that I would need to go into recovery Console before /p and /r
would work. But apparently this is not the case. But what then is meant
by
"the parameters'? Aren't /p and /r THE parameters? Or is it that if not
in
the Recovery Console you use [/p] and [/r] but in the Recovery Console,
you
just use /p and /r?
With my secondary Samsung disconnected I can boot to my Seagate with no
problem and it works perfectly. (And if the Samsung is in there all
alone,
it boots and works perfectly.)
No, I didn't realize I should have disconnected my Flash Card
Reader--guess
I hadn't firmly grasped that it was a storage device. But then when I
first
cloned to my new Seagate drive back last December...well, I didn't
disconnect
it then either. And that clone worked beautifully. Well, I will
disconnect
it in the future.
Now again I have a CDROM and a CD-RW drive...E and F. I hadn't
disconnected
those either when I made my first successful clone and so not with the
2nd.
clone attempt. But I should disconnect these in future clones?
I will download and run Shdiag.exe
IF the flshcard readaer was the problem, why would i get a message saying
"Invalid Destination Drive...Error 11030"? The card reader wasn't my
destination drive.
wumply
"wumply" later adds...
Anna
Problems right off with shdiag.exe (well...with me, I guess)
I downloaded shdiag.exe, double clicked on it, accepted the license
agreement. (It's DOS-like btw). The next screen read:
auto Detection of your drives:
It announced I could only select a Samsung drive. But it listed NO
drives...NONE!
Perhaps it didn't list the Samsung drive because as I metioned in my
initial
post that I had formatted the Samsung drive...which I did because I
thought
it might solve my cloning problem and because I only wanted the files as
they
were on the Seagate? But then why didn't it find the Seagate drive and
list
it. Seagate is master; Samsung jumpered as slave.
wumply
What now? Is it even possible to run the shdiag check on the Samsung
drive?
I'd guess I will need to format the Samsung--does that mean loading XP
onto
it or what? If I don't need to load XP on it, how do I 'just format 'it?
wumply
wumply:
First of all I wouldn't be concerned with using the Recovery Console at this
point. So just put that aside at least for the time being.
I'm not sure why the Samsung diagnostic utility didn't work although I have
to admit that we've run into non-recognition problems as well with that
software. When we queried Samsung tech support about it they insisted the
utility is perfectly functional. I think the Hitachi (formerly IBM)
diagnostic utility will work with the Samsung drives. I'll try it out and
let you know.
In the meantime would you explain your statement that "With my secondary
Samsung disconnected I can boot to my Seagate with no problem and it works
perfectly. And if the Samsung is in there all alone, it boots and works
perfectly." Well, if the Samsung boots and is functional, what's the
problem?
Anna
============
This interchange may be getting to a poit where a phone call would be
practical. So if you would like to continue this by phone, perhaps you could
email me (wumply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) your phone #and tell me of a good time to
call you. That way I could pay for the call. I'm retired so anytime would
be good for me. If you should not be amenable to this suggestion and/or feel
things are getting too involved to make continuing via this forum practical,
then I would understand if you should wish to opt out. I hope you won't feel
that...but neither do I want to be an imposition.
OK re holding on the recovery console matter. Your Hitachi diagnostic
try-outnoted. Hope it's successful.
A question(new): Will my 'quick" format of my /Samsung (made AFTER the
initial attempt to clone the Seagate to the Samsung failed) prevent a cloning
in and of itself? I formatted it becuse I reasoned that would make it blank
like a new drive andI hoped then it would clone. (It didn't though.)
Re my statement that was unclear to you, I had written: "with my secondary
(slave) Samsung disconnected I can boot to my Seagate with no problem and it
works perfectly." That was in answer to your question. (My adding "that if
the Samsung is in there all alone, it too boots and works perfectly" was
imprecise. It WAS true before the format and afterwards, of course, false.
What I had meant to indicate was that before I had formatted the Sansung and
while it was instealled with the Seagate as master, the Seagate booted OK
and worked OK, AND that in this situation, I could also access and work with
the Samsung slave.) BUT I COULD NOT, EVEN BEFORE THE FORMAT, CLONE THE
SAMSUNG FROM THE SEAGATE.) THAT was/is the problem--that was what was NOT
working. (I wanted to cloned the Seagate as it had some apps added since I
started using it--apps that were not on the Samsung.
wumply
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