Re: Windows Defender (formerly windows antispyware) is out!

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:


Windows Defender will be free for all supported operating systems the
same as currently running MSAS or MD.
It is included in Windows Vista at this time and I assume it will
continue to be.

Sure you will be able to buy Windows Vista and get WD, but WD will
still be available as a stand alone product for free.

Time will tell. Personally, I think MS is getting into the security
business and it won't be free, at least it won't be after MS runs all
the AdAwares and Spybot Search and Destroys out of business.

Alias

To be fair, that's what everyone said about Microsoft and Internet
Explorer. You know, as soon as they run Netscape and other browsers out
of business, they'll start charging for it. Well, they never have.

However, I remember a company that did exactly that. It was called
Netscape. If you've been around as long as I have, you'll know that
Netscape started as a free browser competing against my favorite mosaic
browsers. Once Netscape put them all out of business, it began
charging $50 for its browser. Of course, that's when I switched to IE
even though it did not have anywhere near the same features as
Navigator at the time.

AFAIK, the only thing that Microsoft once offered for free that they
now charge for is Outlook. I don't think they put even a single mail
client out of business in the process.

carl
Netscape browser has always been a free download and still is. If you
want it on CD it's $6.95.

Steve N.

I don't recall Netscape offering a Free download until after IE 4.1 was
released. In fact, I distinctly remember a discount price for
downloading, but it was still around $40. Until Microsoft released IE
4.1 and Netscape exchanged its software developers for lawyers, you could
not just get Navigator on CD for $7.

You either paid $40 to download it or bought it in the store for $50.
Like I said, all that started after they put the mosaic browsers out of
business in the early 90s by offering Netscape for free. In all fairness
to the robber-barons at Netscape, Navigator was a superior product over
those mosaic browsers.

carl



http://www.holgermetzger.de/Netscape_History.html

* November 11, 1994: following a protracted lawsuit with the
University of Illinois, "Mosaic Communications" is forced to rename itself
"Netscape Communications." All references to this former identity are
erased. The "M" logo is removed from the title graphic on home.mcom.com.

< snip >

* By the summer of 1995 most WWW users on the internet were using
Netscape's browser. Market share was at 80%+.
* With the launch of Windows 1995 and a web browser of its own
(Internet Explorer) in August 1995, MS began to challenge Netscape. Unlike
Netscape, Internet Explorer was free of charge, but not yet bundled with
Windows (it came withe the old Plus! package).

**** I think your *history* is a little off.

**** Netscape did not *buy* Mosiac.. it has always *been* Mosiac.. but
**** because of the lawauit, they had to change the name.

http://www.geekphilosopher.com/MainPage/WebBrowserWars.htm

In 1994, the Mosaic Netscape browser was released. It sported a graphical
user-interface and utilized an HTML client-server paradigm. Mosaic was
wildly successful. It quickly dominated a browser market still in its
infancy and became the de facto standard. Netscape went public in 1995,
arguably launching the internet stock market bubble. The stock soared on
its first day of trading, closing at $58 and eventually climbing to the
$140s.

Meanwhile, Microsoft was also in the midst of an eventful year with the
release of Windows 95. In their pre-occupation of Windows 95, Microsoft
had missed the cyberspace market shift. Bill Gates, one of history's
greatest visionaries, had misjudged the dominance of the internet. Pundits
joyfully predicted that this miscue would irreparably harm Microsoft. But
Gates wasted no time in launching a counter attack. The 800-pound
Microsoft gorilla soon released Internet Explorer. To erode Netscape's
market share, Explorer was offered free of charge. Explorer was tied into
the operating system to prevent unbundling. OEMs were prohibited from
removing the Internet Explorer icon. Companies as powerful as Compaq were
required to offer Explorer as the preferred worldwide web browser.

Are you saying my history is a little off? I assume that was not meant as a
response to me as I have never intimated that Netscape bought Mosaic.

carl


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