Re: Vista? A flop??

Great stuff on your post...

I am sending comments to the vista beta group.. Of course far more politeley
than this post! lol..
Only if lots of people get involved with the beta will there be great
results. And I am taking about the common users, not the tech specialists.
You have to ask a simple user who doesnt know much about computers what
seems simpler to him/her.

Indeed this post belongs here for THAT exact reason. XP users should know
and have a say about what is going on on vista development! As you said..
some people must speak up before its too late.

kenny



"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:v2a4t1pqheseg9hpnc5i3408up9ou6e7k9@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:46:54 -0500, "Steve Shattuck"
>
>>> Just tried the latest beta... its trash! They made so many changes in
>>> the
>>> GUI with no apparent reason.. seems they just had to change things so
>>> they
>>> could say that vista is different.. but the changes only made it harder
>>> to
>>> use... At least they could have an option to revert to the old way of
>>> doing things...
>
> The GUI is not fixed in stone yet, so what you see may well improve by
> the time it ships - which is why you need to be heard NOW, before they
> say "oh, the feature set is fixed; we will only fix bugs now".
>
>>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know what's more pathetic,
>>you thinking that your single opinion of a beta (better known as a work in
>>progress) is of any interest to the newsgroup, or that someone who
>>obviously
>>has not legally obtained a copy of the beta would have any credibility
>>with
>>anyone. If I went back to messages when XP was just foing into beta, I'm
>>sure I could have found many of the same comments from other little minds.
>
> I don't find either to be pathetic.
>
> Yes, I think Windows users DO have a stake in Vista, given that sooner
> or later it will be force-fed to us unlesswe change platforms. So I
> think a thread on Vista would be of interest here, especially as it is
> clearly labeled Vista in the subject line so it's easily ignored.
>
> It's presumptuous of you to assume the poster obtained Vista
> illegally, or that posting to this news group implies a lack of
> knowledge of (or ability to post to) the Vista newsgroups. If the
> poster has something of interest to say, I'm not going to disregard it
> because he "obtained Vista illegally". Imagine...
>
> "Hey, this dude's found an exploitable defect in RPC in XP Beta!"
> ' Really? That sounds serious! '
> "Oh... no wait, he's not a legal user. Disregard this call."
>
>>Look how much influence they had on the success of XP.
>
> Hmm, not enough, perhaps. Look at the Win9x newsgroups, full of fans
> of a less stable 5-year-old OS that can barely run on modern hardware.
> Why are they so resistant to XP? What is it about XP they don't like?
> Could it be some of those things are what XP users are complaining
> about in the XP newsgroups?
>
> When you get the results you intend, then maybe you can afford to be a
> bit arrogant - but this isn't the case with XP. XP was supposed to be
> the "most secure Windows ever", and yet it set new lows in
> exploitability, being the firrst consumer OS that could be attacked
> within minutes simply by being connected to the Internet (RPC, LSASS).
> Maintenance has degenerated from installing the occasional IE/OE
> safety roll-up to having to install patches every month.
>
> Yes, there's more work going into security and patching, the patch
> delivery infrastructure's becoming really good, and the exploits are
> getting harder to counter. But when more effort does not translate
> into better results, it's time to step back and ask yourself whether
> we really have the fundamentals right.
>
> As it is, the bad guys not only stay one step ahead, but are
> red-shifting away from us at an alarming rate.
>
>>Not to suggest that you don't have the right to post your opinion, but in
>>the future you might want to keep comments like "its horrible!" and "I
>>hope
>>they fix up their act or their sales will go down the drain when vista
>>comes
>>out." to yourself. As someone once noted, "Better to sit quietly and have
>>people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
>
> I'd see this in a different way. Please, don't be silent, but do be
> more detailed in your comments! It's not enough to say "this sucks",
> you have to get specific about what sucks, in what particular way does
> it suck, why TSM (This Stuff Matters) and how you would do it
> differently so that it would suck less.
>
> The Vista Beta process is very effective for submitting this sort of
> detail to MS, as well as discussing it with other beta testers. You
> obviously have stong misgivings about what you see in Vista; you need
> to get into the beta program and pull your weight there, because this
> is the time to fix these things before they ship (and thus become
> another "legacy compatibility" millstone).
>
> If you are already doing this, then you can ward off the flames by
> mentioning this at the start of your post.
>
>
>
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