Re: HDD down-Data Recovery Question

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Thanks for all the info. FYI the $79 GetDataBack worked really well-I could
see all the problems that chkdsk created once I was able to explore the drive
(lots of extra directories with HexDec labels). Also after reading your
linked site this might be helpful to you. http://www.runtime.org/peb.htm

Chkdsk utility should obviously come with a better notification of what it
is doing. At least the KB article should. Chkdsk /r has saved me in the past
and I obviously was becoming too reliant on it.

Thx for all the info.
"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:07:01 -0700, "MidwestTech"
>
> >When you try to start or restart your Windows XP-based computer, you may
> >receive one of the following error messages:
> >Windows XP could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
> >\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM
>
> That means the more important chunk of the registry's gone.
>
> >-started with recovery console and ran a chkdsk /r
>
> Bad idea. ChkDsk is lethal in a data crisis, as it will irreversibly
> "fix" whatever if finds "wrong" without asking you for permission
> first. It's fundamentally incompatible with data safety.
>
> By "fix", it will resolve conflicting file structure information in
> favor of one or other alternative. No conflict, no problem, right?
> Nope; no conflict, no *detectable* problem - you've just thrown the
> needles back in the haystack, by destroying the cues that highlighted
> that file as possibly damaged. You've also destroyed the information
> you might have used to repair the damage, if ChkDsk guessed wrong.
>
> >CHKDSK found and fixed one or more errors on the volume
>
> Details? Or was ChkDsk too useless to privide any, beyond a glib
> "ChkDsk found errors, but fixed them all!"?
>
> >Attempted to recover system registry by following details in q307545
>
> If a file system or hard drive is at risk, Windows is no loger fit for
> use. Windows can't boot without writing to the hard drive, and runs
> services that gratuitously write to every hard drive volume it sees
> (AutoChk, System Restore, .PF management, thumbnails, indexing, file
> access date stamps...). So you are taking a chance even when you drop
> an at-risk HD into another PC to salvage data from it.
>
> >-each time a boot was attempted it just shut itself off-including in safe
> >mode-no messages
>
> That you saw the turn-off to Safe Mode, means you get as far as
> loading and running C:\NTLDR. The reason the PC restarts instead of
> stopping with an error, may be because the duhfault "Automatica;lly
> restart on system errors" setting is in effect. Kill that at birth.
>
> >-will need to take it to office to get it slaved over to another HDD to
> >offload the data
>
> See above.
>
> >-hooked up HDD to another computer and attempted to explore the
> >drive-Windows detected the drive as unformatted-RAW partition-
>
> That's interesting, as it implies an invalid partition table or
> partition boot record, which would have precluded getting as far as
> C:\NTLDR when you tried to boot it as a "live" HD.
>
> Unless the new host PC was older than XP SP1, and the hard drive is
> over 137G? In any event, get that HD out of that host PC **fast**.
>
> >-booted into recovery mode again and attempted to browse files using dir
> >command-Message-An error occured during directory enumeration
> >-attempted a chkdsk /r -Message -The volume appears to contain one or more
> >unrecoverable problems. Message o' death!
> >-same thing at 50% each time
>
> Step one: Turn off the flamethrower (ChkDsk). If you want to destroy
> the HD, just crush it with a hammer; much faster than ChkDsk.
>
> >This is my client's main business computer and of course the files are not
> >backed up since my last visit. Wish they would listen. Anyone know of any
> >utility or further t-shooting that I can attempt? I'm not hopeful and have
> >already advised my client of the bad news (felt like being a doctor and
> >telling them their family member died).
>
> If it's FATxx, it's comparitively easy:
> - DOS mode boot
> - use Norton Disk Edit or similar if file system needs repair
> - else use LCopy from Odi's LFN Tools to copy off data with LFNs
> - else forego LFNs and copy via DOS mode
> (or you can use approaches that follow, or access via Linux boot)
>
> If it's NTFS, it's a gloomier picture; either...
> - DOS mode boot
> - if file system barfed, give up
> - forego LFNs, using ReadNTFS to copy subtrees one at a time
> ....or...
> - Bart PE CDR mode boot
> - if file system barfed, try a few "automagical" repair tools
> - if those fail, give up; there's no manual repair tools for NTFS
> - else if OK, copy off data using A43, Cmd.exe, etc.
> ....or...
> - boot the XP CD, choose Recovery Console
> - if the Set commands work, use them to facilitate copy off HD
> - else give up, as unless you'd facilitated Set earlier, you're dead
> - copy files one at a time, by name, because that's all RC can do
> ....or if you feel like taking a chance...
> - drop HD into an XP system
> - press Esc if AutoChk tries to "fix" the HD
> - immediately in XP, kill SR for the dropped-in HD
> - try copying stuff off the HD now
> - accept some collateral damage as inevitable with this approach
> - accept secondary damage to host XP if lock-ups force bad exits
>
> See http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm
>
>
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