Re: Rude replies

NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> "Leythos" <void@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d129ff32a5541869898ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> In article <OHl0LxTbFHA.2688@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> dontemailme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
>>>> According to international laws, they are not doing anything
>>>> illegal by holding them.
>>>
>>> What? I hope some country abducts you and holds you indefinitely.
>>> And if anyone complains about it, I make sure to let them know that
>>> you thinks its OK for one country to abduct another countries
>>> citizens and hold them indefinitely!
>>
>> I think you've missed the people that have been "detained" by foreign
>> countries/governments in non-US countries for decades, but I don't
>> expect you to speak out against foreign countries.
>>
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> Okay, I have watched this thread as it has unfolded. I spent nearly
> 30 years in the military. I served in Vietnam (2 tours), got out,
> and then re-entered. I also fought in the "first" Gulf war in 1991. I
> have a little bit of background and knowledge that will allow me to
> speak to some of the issues being discussed here.
>
> First and foremost, the persons being detained in Gitmo, in
> Afghanistan, and in other detainee camps are *NOT* U. S. citizens,
> and therefore are not directly entitled to any of the rights that
> come with a birthright in the United States.

I believe that the Supreme Court differs with you opinion.

> The persons being held
> (for the most part) are enemy combatants, and while not technically
> prisoners of war, they are due only the legal protection that the
> Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Convention afford
> them.

Then why aren't we allowing the Red Cross in to check out conditions
there?

> We do not owe them air conditioned condominiums grade
> quarters. We owe them nothing more than what they are being given.
> Get over it. Those that are determined to be not enemy combatants
> will be released. Until then, they are treated as enemy combatants.
> Get over it.

Nope, not until they been charged, and tried.

> Those individuals that we have detained will not be beheaded.

Some have died in our custody. How many? Who really knows.

> Those
> individuals that we detain will not be taken into the streets and
> shot. Those individuals that we detain will not wind up having their
> remains tossed into a garbage dump or a schoolyard. They will be
> fed. They will get better medical treatment than they received prior
> to their capture. Many will get the first dental treatment of their
> lives. Many will get treatment for diseased and conditions that
> would have gone untreated had they not been detained. They are
> de-loused (and trust me, they need it). They are kept in better
> conditions than they were probably living in before their capture...I
> have seen how the "average" Iraqi and Afghani lives, and trust me you
> would not believe it.

LOL! Well if it is so bad, let's save some money and ship them back to
live in much worse conditions!

> Many, and I dare say most, of those being detained are fanatics who
> are being manipulated. Most would take any and every opportunity to
> kill anyone not aligned with their sect/jihad/etc. Most are
> uneducated, unhappy, and do not see the b*llsh*t being fed to them by
> their religious and political leaders. Most are uneducated enough to
> believe that being martyred will lead to the land of Milk and honey
> with servants and virgin girls... Most are dirt poor and willing to
> sacrifice their lives for the few
> measly dollars that the jihad promises to their families. Many do
> not care if they live or die...many believe that if they die and kill
> Americans or Sunnies or Shi'ites or whatever, they will be rewarded.

Been like that for millenia. Detaining a few hundred will not change
anything except convince a hundred-fold more to take their place.

> Meanwhile, the f*ucked up liberal press attacks the military for
> everything it does. Here you have Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and
> Marines who risk their lives to do what their government has asked
> them to do...yet we hold them to an antiquated system, unrealistic
> rules of engagement , and the glaring spolight of a hostile press.

Have you heard about how hard it is for recruiters lately? No one wants
to send their kids to die for no good reason.

> They are up against an enemy that knows no rules, and has no limits.

Yeah, you're right. Does that mean we have to give up ours?

> Perhaps the Israelis have it right...but the liberal pukes in the
> U.S. will never allow our military to effectively deal with the
> situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will cause the efforts to
> fail.

Iraq was doomed from the start.

> Then the liberal a**holes will claim that it failed because
> the military was weak and wrong and mismanaged, when it is the
> actions of the liberals in the press and in the government that will
> cause the failure of the programs in those countries.

Mismanaged definitely, but most by the civilian leadership that didn't
put enough troops on the ground to win the peace.

Our troops were put in a no-win situation, unlike the first Iraqi War,
of even Kosovo. Bush, Cheney, and Rummy are to blame, not our boys and
girls on the front lines! Sure there are some bad seeds, like in Abu
Ghraib, but our boys and girls in the field have been given an
impossible task, and that isn't their fault.

> You are not required to believe that we have a reason to be there.
> You have the right to question what the motives of our government
> are. You have the right to criticize openly, in a forum just such as
> this, the actions of the government and the military. Yet it is
> those same Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines who are giving their
> lives, their limbs, their freedoms, to ensure that you can sit on
> your fat a** back at home and make pig noises about it.

Well, if they never went over there, I dare say, that we would still be
sitting on our fat asses and making pig noises. And that's the shame of
it all. Osama is still on the loose, and Iraq was one least likely
country to do us any harm.

> Criticize the government. Criticize the press. Criticize the fact
> that we have not accomplished our goals in either Afghanistan or
> Iraq. But never criticize the troops that are there.

Who was criticizing the troops? Seriously! I have yet to see on post
in this thread denegrate our troops in the slightest. I've been
criticizing the Bush administration over denying detainees their due
process.

> Unless you
> have been there, you have no clue what it is like. Unless you have
> been through what they are going through, you have no clue. No clue
> at all. You can't sit back an "imagine" what it's like. You can't
> sit back and "speculate" on what it is like. Therefore, you have no
> reasonable perspective.
> There are many fine men and women who have died in Afghanistan and
> Iraq. Sadly, there will be many more before the job it through.
> Instead of sitting at your keyboard discussing it in a forum like
> this, send e-mails to your congressman..your state senator...the
> legislators on Capitol Hill. Make your views known. Use the rights
> that have been granted to you by the Constitution and the blood of
> those that have died in the name of freedom. But never attack or
> belittle those souls brave enough to take up the gauntlet and serve
> in this time of need. They deserve no less. They are just doing
> their "job"; they are just doing what they are "told to do". They
> have volunteered to put themselves in harms way. They are doing a
> job that most of those reading this post do not have the courage or
> the conviction to do. Honor them.

I do. It's the civilian leadership that I have a problem with. I
really don't know why you even brought this up though, since no one here
had said anything dishonoring our boys and girls in uniform.

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