Re: Usenet vs. Web

In ZU1pe.4250$xI2.1297@trnddc09">news:ZU1pe.4250$xI2.1297@trnddc09,
RJB <notpublic@xxxxxxx> typed:

> The google group thing sounds interesting...
>
> But your link was a little flaky. Can you repost?


Sure. I'm not sure what happened, but it's just
www.googlegroups.com


> Thanks for the tip,


You're welcome.


> (And, you have to admit, many people just ain't trying to help
> when
> they extol the virtues of newsgroups vs. Web... It seems like
> it's an
> ego "I was internet before internet was cool" kind of thing.)


There may be some people like that, but in my experience the
great majority of those who tout a newsreader instead of using
the Microsoft CDO web interface are simply trying to help. I'm
one of those people, and I know I'm trying to help when I do it.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


>
> "Ken Blake" <kblake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:Ol5GpCtaFHA.2980@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> In Li1pe.19078$J73.15842@trnddc05">news:Li1pe.19078$J73.15842@trnddc05,
>> RJB <notpublic@xxxxxxx> typed:
>>
>>> I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web
>>> access to
>>> these help groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think
>>> others,
>>> would, too.
>>> Follow me out, please.
>>>
>>> I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.
>>>
>>> So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.
>>>
>>> But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like
>>> writing a
>>> formula that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if
>>> the
>>> result rhymes with whatever word is typed into cell A1, it
>>> will
>>> list it as a nine-digit number, will cross-reference it and
>>> give me
>>> the phone number of the nearest Circuit City to that ZIP+4
>>> code.
>>>
>>> So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes
>>> posts from
>>> June 2 til today into my Outlook.
>>
>>
>> First, note that Outlook doesn't do newsgroups at all. You
>> mean
>> Outlook Express, not Outlook.
>>
>> Second, with Outlook Express you can get all the posts that
>> are one
>> the server, not just a couple of days back. If you're not
>> getting
>> all the posts, it's probably that you have Outlook Express
>> configured to get only 300 posts at a time (the default). Go
>> to
>> Tools | Options, and on the Read tab, uncheck "Get nnnn
>> headers at
>> a time." Third, Outlook Express is only one newsreader out of
>> many possible
>> choices. If you don't like the way Outlook Express does
>> things, try
>> some other newsreader. They are almost all better than using
>> the web
>> interface.
>>> But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back
>>> at
>>> least as far as September 2004.
>>
>>
>> Fourth, if you want to do a search, the search facilities at
>> http://groups-beta.ghow oogle.com/ are probably the best
>> available,
>> and you can (and should) use them regardless of you normally
>> participate in newsgroups.
>>
>>
>>> So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar
>>> problem,
>>> and try to solve it for myself.
>>
>>
>> That's good to do, but try googlegroups (especially their
>> advanced
>> group search), which is superior.
>>
>>
>>> But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem.
>>> Which
>>> is probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.
>>>
>>> So, I would think the web interface would be OK.
>>>
>>> But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the
>>> Web
>>> version, my children will be born dumb.
>>
>>
>> You are welcome to use newsgroups any way you want, but people
>> are
>> trying to help you by pointing out better ways of doing
>> things. As
>> far as I'm concerned, there are two major problems with using
>> the
>> Microsoft web-based interface:
>>
>> 1. It doesn't work very well, and people often have a hard
>> time
>> finding what they're looking for.
>>
>> 2. If you want to participate in a newsgroup regularly, it's
>> much
>> slower than a newsreader. That's because it gets the messages
>> one at
>> a time, as you navigate to each new message. With a
>> newsreader, you
>> can download all the unread messages at once, so moving from
>> one to
>> the next is instantaneous.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup


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