Re: WGA Hacked?! Get a Fair and Balance Perspective!

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message news:eqleDwjYFHA.2756@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>> message news:uxRRBphYFHA.2684@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> "Only those not using genuine licensed product will have an issue."
>>>>
>>>> You have yet to explain how validation achieves your companies
>>>> cliam of faster access to downloads, when that is not logically or
>>>> visibly the reality of the situation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you are WGA covered through the use of the control etc then you
>>> will not have to potentially go through a manual process such as
>>> entering your PID/COA to gain access to the downloads - much as you
>>> can do today if you are not using IE or have an issue under WGA.
>>
>> The OS must be check each time to see if it is validated or not, and
>> that process is noticable, even on broadband.
>>
>
> Kurt - did you read what I said, If you take 2 machines one with the
> plug-in and IE and one without, and they both want to download WGA
> protected content. The one with the plug-in using IE will get to
> commence the download without going through the longer process to
> validate the genuine nature fo the OS that the other one will. That
> is how you get access to downloads faster. It is not and has never
> been about the actual on wire download speed.

And I'm not talking about download speed. I'm talking about faster
access to downloads, and there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that WGA enables
faster access to downloads than if WGA never existed.

I had faster access to download before WGA. So the false claim of
faster access to downloads is just marketing BS that relies on us to
forget that it was much easier and faster to get to download Before WGA.

>
>> Yet your company has the audacity to LIE that WGA will give people
>> faster access to downloads, and that is NOT the case!
>
> See my answer above - it is NOT about download speed but about
> simplicity of access to get to the point where you commence
> downloading.

What part of "faster access to downloads" makes you think that I'm
talking about download speed?

Thanks for demonstrating how disengenuous you have to be to argue that
WGA is better for the END USER.

>
>> You accuse me of FUD, but your company is clearly guilty of LYING!
>> There is NO LOGICAL way to get faster access to downloads by adding
>> WGA checks between each and every download.
>>
>
> See above

ROFL! "faster access to downloads" Total BS!

>
>>
>>>> You claim that no one will be confused by it, but that is patently
>>>> absurd! People can't get the difference between Registration and
>>>> Activation straight, and are constantly confusing the two here, and
>>>> most people have Activation totally hidden from them by their OEMs,
>>>> but with Validation it won't be hidden.
>>>>
>>>
>>> One click - one time. As I have already said. This is hardly
>>> confusing. The user does not have to type anything etc (unlike
>>> registration etc)
>>
>> And then it has to recheck, each time, otherwise you wouldn't know
>> who to let have the download or not.
>>
>
> And this can be transparent to the end user.

NO ITS NOT! I can see the difference with broadband. When you click
the link to get the download, you first go to a temp page, then are
redirected to the download page.

It is totally noticable on broadband, on dialup it will be a pain in the
ass.

> And those that cannot
> be WGA validated then they have to go through the longer process. You
> can see this process today if you go to download some WGA content
> without IE or using the plug-in.

I can see the delay it take to check an OS that has been validated and
using IE to access the downloads. It is NOT a transparent process!


>
>> Clearly you either don't understand the WGA process, or you are
>> deliberately being disengenuous.
>>
>
> No, it is use that has failed to look at the process.

I been looking at it. And I can visibly see the delay in getting access
to the download with a validated OS, using IE on broadband.

>
>> You only have to validate once, that part is correct, but each time
>> you request a download your download web site must check to see if
>> the OS has been validate or not, so it can tell whether to allow or
>> disallow the download requested. This checking the status of
>> validation is slow enough to see that it slow down the access to
>> downloads, not speed it up!
>
> But it is a lot faster then you having to manually enter the COA/ID
> etc to validate your OS to WGA.

It isn't faster than before WGA existed! And that's the point! WGA has
slowed down the download process as compare to before it existed, it is
a noticable slowdown to accessing downloads, and it is not totally
transparent.

>
>>>
>>>> In its voluntary state, people had had problems with it not
>>>> validating their legit OS installed by major OEMs, and with the
>>>> installation of the ActiveX component.
>>>>
>>>>> As regards your last comment about me, if you bothered to do any
>>>>> research you could have found my biog on any number of online
>>>>> sessions at Microsoft.com etc where you would see that I'm an
>>>>> Enterprise Strategy and Senior Consultant, in the Windows Platform
>>>>> Infrastructure Delivery Group.
>>>>
>>>> "Consultant" sounds like you're one of the MicroSerfs that aren't
>>>> considered a full-time employee.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our agency or vendor staff have i- and v- e-mail addresses mine is a
>>> FTE address. Also you appear to be unaware of Microsoft Services
>>> which now contains Microsoft Consultancy Services (MCS) where the
>>> staff carry the consultant job group title.
>>> see
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/services/microsoftservices/cons.mspx
>>>
>>> We are much more then just a software company.
>>
>> Yeah, ya'll are the most hated corporation of any kind on the
>> planet. And it is a distinction that is well deserved!
>>
>
> Your opinion only.

Yeah, but I see you didn't try to name a company that you would consider
more hated than yours world-wide.

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