Re: WGA Hacked?! Get a Fair and Balance Perspective!

"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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> They don't care about piracy. It is not about valid licensing. It is about
> blurring the line between MS and you so you need to pay MS regular money
> (which is what they care about - the regular part). This is a long term
> goal
> of MS (well over 10 years) and most of their efforts have failed. Some are
> Application servers (they still perserve I saw a trial program using this
> technology), MSN (was not the internet at first), yearly rental of Office
> in
> Australia (cancelled last year), Windows update, PA, and WPA. They seem to
> have taken a long term approach of training consumers (Symantec watched MS
> and did do it - one has to pay symantec regular sums of money to use their
> product, but the products are different and MS don't naturally lead to
> regular payments).
>
> Think of the phone system. If you buy a phone it's absolutely useless
> without wires and exchanges. MS wants your computer to be useless without
> MSNs or whatever ends up working.
>
> MS regards OEM software as leased software (last time I saw figures OEM
> sales were over 90% of of total sales). They can't get consumers to
> regularly pay them so they tie it to the life of the hardware (Source MS
> OEM
> Product Manager for OSs in Australia at the Christmas do in 2003 - they
> bribed people to come with free Office XP Professional, I took me mum so
> she
> could get a $1200 product for free as well - she found OEM ranting
> boring).
>
> MS intends to own you. Mike Brannigan is actually misleading people here,
> maybe inadvertantly as he is probably quite junior (I doubt he is a
> strategic executive).

Exactly how am I misleading anyone here ?
Kurt and you are the ones spreading FUD here.

As regards your last comment about me, if you bothered to do any research
you could have found my biog on any number of online sessions at
Microsoft.com etc where you would see that I'm an Enterprise Strategy and
Senior Consultant, in the Windows Platform Infrastructure Delivery Group.

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Mike
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"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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> They don't care about piracy. It is not about valid licensing. It is about
> blurring the line between MS and you so you need to pay MS regular money
> (which is what they care about - the regular part). This is a long term
> goal
> of MS (well over 10 years) and most of their efforts have failed. Some are
> Application servers (they still perserve I saw a trial program using this
> technology), MSN (was not the internet at first), yearly rental of Office
> in
> Australia (cancelled last year), Windows update, PA, and WPA. They seem to
> have taken a long term approach of training consumers (Symantec watched MS
> and did do it - one has to pay symantec regular sums of money to use their
> product, but the products are different and MS don't naturally lead to
> regular payments).
>
> Think of the phone system. If you buy a phone it's absolutely useless
> without wires and exchanges. MS wants your computer to be useless without
> MSNs or whatever ends up working.
>
> MS regards OEM software as leased software (last time I saw figures OEM
> sales were over 90% of of total sales). They can't get consumers to
> regularly pay them so they tie it to the life of the hardware (Source MS
> OEM
> Product Manager for OSs in Australia at the Christmas do in 2003 - they
> bribed people to come with free Office XP Professional, I took me mum so
> she
> could get a $1200 product for free as well - she found OEM ranting
> boring).
>
> MS intends to own you. Mike Brannigan is actually misleading people here,
> maybe inadvertantly as he is probably quite junior (I doubt he is a
> strategic executive).
>
> "Steve N." <me@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:qglle.88$q4.65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>
>> > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:uU8d8beYFHA.4024@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >>Winux P wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Compulsory WGA??? What! Who are these people? For what purpose would
>> >>>this be for? Speed up downloads? Wouldn't it take download time + get
>> >>>an authenicated check? Rather than just download time?
>> >>>
>> >>>Who and what would WGA stop from downloading\updating anyway? My
>> >>>windows is already WGA'd, I thought this happened when MS activated
>> >>>it.
>> >>
>> >>It is for nothing but MS flexing its muscles over its paying customers.
>> >>WGA is separate from WPA. The former know as Validation, and the
>> >>latter
>> >>as Activation. And they ar both separate and distinct from
> Registration.
>> >>And MS expects all its paying customers to learn the difference, learn
> the
>> >>differing rules of each, and to fetch when MS tell them to. It's
> getting
>> >>to the point where the OS is technically easier to use, than knowing
>> >>and
>> >>complying with all of MS rules & policies surrounding its
> copy-protection
>> >>schemes!
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >
>> >
>> > Kurt the customers don't need to know or understand anything in
> particular,
>> > activation can be one click and once they have the control installed
> then
>> > WGA will be invisible to them too.
>> > Only those not using genuine licensed product will have an issue.
>> >
>>
>> Mike, of course MS has the right to ensure that installations of their
>> software are legitimate before providing support (product updates are
>> support), and that justifies the use of PA and WGA, however there are
>> many documented cases where these mechanisms have failed to identify
>> legitimately licensed installations, leaving legitimately licensed users
>> in a lurch.
>>
>> What, if anything, is MS doing to correct these flaws? So far all I've
>> seen MS do is make it more difficult, particularly with regard to OEM
>> installations and "unauthorized" product keys. It no longer only applies
>> to major OEMs, either. Every OEM pre-install I have seen lately that is
>> not pre-activated encounters this.
>>
>> And while we're at it, please print the keys on the COA in a font large
>> enough to read without a magnifying glass and quit using character
>> strings like "8B3B8".
>>
>> Steve
>>
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