Re: Pagefile.sys MISSING!

Curious indeed...imagine how I've felt for the last six weeks, playing with
this problem.

But .... Now I have a pagefile...it's just called RUBBISH.SYS. When I
changed the names using regedit, it accepted them. No errors. It even made
rubbish.sys a hidden system file.

I then played and discovered that I could change its size, without incident.
I could run it with "System Managed" settings without incident.

But I can't change the name back to pagefile.sys either with a ren command
at the cmd prompt or in regedit. If I do, ERROR!! But changing it back makes
it all work right.

Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it.

If it isn't too much trouble, I have one more troubleshoot, which I'd gladly
put into a new thread if you'd like.

In working with the Microsoft Help Desk ... using one of my free questions
.... yet getting NO answers, the Help Desk person had me install a second
Windows XP Professional on my system. It is on the C Drive in a folder called
WINDOWS. My current setup uses the C Drive folder WINNT.

Is there an easy way to delete the second set of Windows XP Professional? I
mean I had to go and download all the upgrades again....yada yada. Don't need
to waste that space on my C Drive, do I?

I asked him and he had me delete the line in boot.ini which asked me to
choose, but I want to delete the whole thing. Can you help?

Lastly, and I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I do now
notice something I hadn't. When I didn't have a pagefile my computer shut
down immediately. But now when I tell it to shutdown, a Norton AntiVirus
ccApp.exe pulls a menu asking me if I really want to stop now...It did that
all the time and I hadn't noticed it wasn't doing that until I got
"rubbish.sys" working. Could the two be related?

Again, thanks for all your help. It is very much appreciated.

ChapBell

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

> This is the most curious case I have ever come across. If your
> reports are correct (and I have no reason to doubt that they
> are) then your system refuses you the permission to create a
> paging file under the name of "C:\pagefile.sys", even though
> the permissions of the root directory are set correctly.
>
> Well, if you cannot solve a problem then you can always
> try to walk around it. You have successfully created the
> file c:\rubbish.sys. Let's promote it to the paging file! Do
> this:
> - Run regedit.exe.
> - Navigate to HKLM\CurrentControlSet.
> - Click F3.
> - Find and replace every instance of pagefile.sys with rubbish.sys.
> - Retain all the other details (e.g. turn c:\pagefile.sys 384 768
> into c:\rubbish.sys 384 768).
> - Reboot the machine and test your handiwork.
>
>
> "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:551BA18E-E226-4F06-896C-12C9AF0BCEA9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > 1) when I type "attrib C:\page*.*" I get a "File Not Found" reply
> >
> > 2) When I check the Security tab under properties in C:\ every listing
> (i.e.
> > administrator, Everyone, system...) all say "full control"
> >
> > 3) It is an NTFS system.
> >
> > 4) I am running Windows XP Professional SP2
> >
> > 5) cacls: MyFile.txt displays the following information:
> > HOMECOMPUTER\Administrator:F
> > BUILTIN\Administrators:F
> > Everyone:F
> > HOMECOMPUTER\(My Logon):F
> > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
> > BUILTIN\Users:F
> >
> > 6) Rubbish.sys is now in my C:\ directory
> >
> > 7) attrib c:\nt*.* displays the following information
> > A SHR C:\NTDETECT.COM
> > A SHR C:\ntldr
> >
> > 8) cacls C:\nt*.* displays the following information
> > C:\NTDETECT.COM BUILTIN\Power User:R
> > BUILTIN\Administrators:F
> > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
> >
> > C:\ntldr BUILTIN\Power User:R
> > BUILTIN\Administrators:F
> > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
> >
> >
> > That answers all your questions, I believe. Again, Thanks for the help.
> >
> > ChapBell
> >
> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry for the typographical error.
> > >
> > > Getting really close now. What you report suggests that
> > > a) The file c:\pagefile.sys does not exist, and
> > > b) When you try to create it then you get the message "Access denied".
> > >
> > > Let's get a last confirmation on item a). Open a Command Prompt
> > > and type this command:
> > > attrib c:\page*.*
> > >
> > > If the response is "File not found" then item a) is correct. This leaves
> > > you with item b). Next questions:
> > > c) Is drive C: a FAT or an NTFS volume?
> > > d) Are you running WinXP Home or Professional?
> > > e) In one of my previous replies I asked you to check
> > > the permissions for C:\. Did you get around to doing this?
> > > f) What happens when you type these commands at the Command Prompt:
> > > echo. > c:\MyFile.txt
> > > cacls c:\MyFile.txt
> > > echo. > c:\Rubbish.sys
> > > attrib c:\nt*.*
> > > cacls c:\nt*.*
> > > Please report all screen output.
> > >
> > >
> > > "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:19DFADF4-7F83-41ED-97F0-251E667261BA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > When I type in CACLS C:\pagefile.sys it states "The system cannot find
> the
> > > > file specified".
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the help. I appreciate all you are trying to do.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, in your post you put calcs...but using the Help Command I
> discovered
> > > > teh cacls was what you meant. Just note this for anyone who may follow
> > > this
> > > > mess in at a later time.
> > > >
> > > > ChapBell
> > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At long last we're getting close!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you cannot manually create c:\pagefile.sys then this is
> > > > > a) because the file already exists and is used by Windows, or
> > > > > b) because its permissions place it outside your reach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now in all previous posts you said that the file does NOT exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > You also claimed that the NTFS permissions of C:\ allowed
> > > > > everyone full access.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some contradictions here . . . What do you get when you
> > > > > open a Command Prompt and type this command:
> > > > >
> > > > > calcs c:\pagefiles.sys
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:12F4F489-9D4F-4848-90AC-7792BF36E48E@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > 1) I tried to manually create a Paging File. copy /y command it
> gave
> > > me an
> > > > > > "access is Denied" statement
> > > > > > 2) When I try changing the parameters to anything except NO Paging
> > > File I
> > > > > > get the error that my Pagefile.sys is not existent or too small.
> > > (using
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Windows Default values)
> > > > > > 3) when I did the "Dir c:\Pagefile.sys" I was told it couldn't
> find
> > > it.
> > > > > > (using the at hh:mm parameter)
> > > > > > 4) when I tell it to Del C:\pagefile.sys it tells me the file
> could
> > > not be
> > > > > > found.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yet if I try to change the name of my hiberfil.sys to pagefile.sys
> it
> > > > > tells
> > > > > > me a file with that name exists and it {hiberfil.sys} does not
> exist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is strange, i don't use Hibernate, but it will create a
> hibernate
> > > file,
> > > > > > but it won't seem to create a pagefile.sys
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Time to run some experiments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Manually create a paging file
> > > > > > > =====================
> > > > > > > - Start a Command Prompt (Start / Run / cmd {OK})
> > > > > > > - Type these lines exactly like so:
> > > > > > > copy con c:\PageFile.bat
> > > > > > > @echo off
> > > > > > > if exist c:\pagefile.sys del c:\pagefile.sys
> > > > > > > copy /y c:\PageFile.bat c:\PageFile.sys >
> "%temp%\PageFile.txt"
> > > > > > > F6 (meaning: Press function key F6)
> > > > > > > c:\PageFile.bat
> > > > > > > dir c:\PageFile.sys
> > > > > > > What do you see?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Let Windows use your paging file
> > > > > > > ========================
> > > > > > > - Set the paging file parameters in the Control Panel / System
> > > > > > > to the Windows default values.
> > > > > > > - Reboot.
> > > > > > > What happens?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Let the system create the paging file
> > > > > > > ==========================
> > > > > > > - Start a Command Prompt (Start / Run / cmd {OK})
> > > > > > > del c:\PageFile.sys
> > > > > > > at hh:mm c:\PageFile.bat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hh:mm should be your current time plus 2 minutes.
> > > > > > > Now wait until current time plus 3 minutes, then
> > > > > > > type this command:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dir c:\PageFile.sys
> > > > > > > What do you see on the screen?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Explanation
> > > > > > > ========
> > > > > > > When you manually create a paging file, you confirm that
> > > > > > > the file can be created in the root directory of drive C:.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After you have set the paging file parameters, Windows is
> > > > > > > supposed to use the manually created paging file. It will
> > > > > > > be much larger, of course.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By using at.exe to create the paging file, you use the
> > > > > > > system account (which is the same account as the one
> > > > > > > used by Windows to manage the paging file). This is
> > > > > > > about as close as we can get to monitoring the process
> > > > > > > of creating a paging file.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you get any error messages at any stage, type this:
> > > > > > > notepad "%temp%\PageFile.txt" and report what you see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3DC60624-FBE4-45DF-8F41-808861941DBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > The permissions were at FULL CONTROL for Administrators,
> Everyone,
> > > > > System
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > my own logon. Computer Owner will not set to Full Control, and
> > > users
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > at Full Control.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To see the full instructions on setting NTFS permissions,
> > > > > > > > > do this:
> > > > > > > > > - Click Start / Help
> > > > > > > > > - Type NTFS Permissions
> > > > > > > > > - Read the guides
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > news:CE00D79C-A977-46FE-8136-524BAB7BC1EF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > what are the NTFS permissions? How do I find them? I know
> that
> > > > > under
> > > > > > > users
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have created the System and Administrators and Everyone
> groups
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > boxes
> > > > > > > > > > checked.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is there something more?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have done everything suggested under this question and
> still
> > > no
> > > > > > > > > > pagefile.sys will form.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ChapBell
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I note that you did not look at several of the points I
> > > raised.
> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the most important one - NTFS permissions -
> > > > > > > > > > > remains unanswered.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "ChapBell" <ChapBell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > >
> news:F07C133D-2289-4365-A3E5-D2A883EFC59C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the response:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I don't have a C:\pagefile.sys at all on my
> computer. I
> > > > > have it
> > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > see every file Hidden, system..and it just isnt'
> there.
> > > And it
> > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > > > > > one, apparently.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) How do I find out what drive the env. variable
> %system%
> > > > > point
> > > > > > > to?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) there is 27 GB of space on my drive, so plenty of
> > > space.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Temporary page file is in Windows\System32 folder.
> I
> > > can
> > > > > delete
> > > > > > > > > that
.

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