Re: ATTN an MVP that is against the MS EUA
From: Leythos (void_at_nowhere.lan)
Date: 02/03/05
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:29:12 GMT
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:11:08 +0100, Alias wrote:
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> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.02.03.12.00.24.415664@nowhere.lan...
> | On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:16:11 +1100, wrote:
> |
> | > Another principal is there should be a relationship with the cost of the
> | > good/service. If an office type product costs $1 to make and is selling
> | > at $100 lots of firms will start making and selling it so the price will
> | > come down, via competition, to just above $1. Patents prevent this
> | > happening.
> |
> | There is nothing that says you have to use the above referenced office
> | product when there are very viable alternatives already on the market.
> |
> | Just the other day I was sent a Excel spreadsheet with 28000 rows and 30
> | columns. I was on the FC3 Linux box at the time and using Evolution with
> | my Exchange server, clicked on the attachment, selected save-as, saved it
> | to a new folder on the drive, then browsed to it and opened it with
> | OpenOffice's spreadsheet application and wala - it worked just fine.
> | Edited it, saved it, sent it back to them....
> |
> | The relationship between product and purchase is that you don't have to
> | purchase a product you can't afford and you may attempt to get the vendor
> | to reduct the cost of products you feel are over-priced, but you may not
> | pirate copies just because YOU feel they are over-priced.
>
> Open Office hasn't got an Outlook type program, a Front Page type program or
> an Access type program and hence its limitations compared to MS Office. And,
Actually, Evolution is also a free download and it contains all the
elements of Outlook, and it worked with a POP, IMAP, and EXCHANGE NATIVE
CONNECTOR.
Front Page! Do people actually use that crap? Linux FC3 comes with a
compliant HTML editor with a GUI interface, so, now you've got it down to
MS Access, which is, at best, a single user database. I have not found
anything as simple as Access, but the FC3 installation does come with a
MySQL server installation that is far more than Access, but it's not as
easy as Access for people that don't want to learn.
We've installed the full office products on thousands of systems and I can
count on 1 had the number of people that actually create their own MS
Access projects.
> yes, one *may* pirate any software. What you are saying that if one has
> integrity, honesty, morality and is a good boy scout, one *shouldn't*
> pirate overpriced software like Office. Unfortunately for you and for
No, I didn't include price in the idea at all - one should not pirate ANY
software, not just MS software.
> MS, millions, if not billions, of people don't think it immoral, lacking
> intergrity or honesty to pirate overpriced Office software and could
> care less if they are a good boy scout. I would go so far as to say that
> nine out of ten users of MS Office haven't paid for it. Now, what should
I agree, there are many unethical people in this world, and as each day
turns there are more self serving, loners, thieves, pirates, whiners, at
people that believe someone/everyone owes them something - it just isn't
true.
> be done about that? Lock up millions, if not billions, of people? Spout
> morality on Usenet? Argue with Kurtis? What should be done about it, hot
If no one refutes what Kurt says to people on the edge it will breed more
pirates and unethical types.
> shot? My suggestion is that MS should lower their prices and allow
> multiple installations, say three, per family.
I would love to see MS lower their prices, and if people took just a
little time to learn they would find that you can openly/legally purchase
Office 2003 SBE (includes Access) for $241 through most OEM programs in
the US (no idea about outside US), and that Windows XP Prof is only $140
OEM, and that MS allows an install of Office on a workstation and a laptop
with the SAME licenses (always has). In fact, MS allows an install of
Company owned MS Office on the employee's home computer with the same
license key used at the office.
You can argue that MS is bad and not doing what ever you want them to do,
but the simple fact is that people would be doing what you say at any
price point, would install 4 if they let you install 3, would break any
agreement, etc....
At some point you have to decide to be a thief or to use another product -
there are many products out there that don't require you to steal from MS,
ones that even import most of what MS Office produces, some even more
efficient than the MS products.
Ask yourself this - how many copies of Apples products can you install on
your home MAC's (if you had 10 MAC's at home) with one license? How many
Word Perfect Office Suites can you install on one license? How many Adobe
Acrobat (full product, not the reader) can you install with one license?
I don't see any of these sanctimonious/self righteous types going after
those companies - all I see is people attacking MS because they don't like
business.
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