Re: Windows XP Issue (Activation) III

From: Michael (Michael_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 02/02/05 

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:25:04 -0800

After re-reading this junk (XP EULA and Title 17) I have to admit that you
are both right. While Title 17 is kind of vague as to what single use might
be defined as I think it is probably that way on purpose to allow a broad
interpretation by the courts. (Typical lawyer crap)

I also have to reiterate that I do not think that EULA for windows is done
well. I can understand why a company wants to protect their intellectual
property and make money from their product, that is the point after all, but
MS has some pretty crappy things tucked inside the EULA for XP. I esspecially
like the bit about only allowing 10 devices access to the licensed system.

And if I don't agree with the EULA then I don't have to use their product.
Fair enough, but in this business if you don't sell, install and support MS
products you won't make much of a living. So I deal with MS and all of it's
stupid little hoops. I don't like it much but there it is. I guess I get bent
when I am working hard to stay in compliance with all of this crap and other
folk just wave it off.

I miss the days when we used to swap software like trading cards.

(BTW, the bit about B.G. being satan I thought was pretty funny.)

"kurttrail" wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:29:55 +0100, Alias wrote:
> >> I agree with Woody. Kurtis' views are refreshing compared to the "MS
> >> said it. I believe it and that settles it" toadyism of some of the
> >> MVPs.
> >
> > I've been on Usenet since the early 80's and find that Kurt and the
> > people like him are what we call Trolls. They have a point, but, once
> > they've said it they can't stop and they never address the facts part
> > of a issue, they always divert from the issue when backed into a
> > corner. That's why I plonked his main posting ID.
> >
> > The only valid part of anything that he's posted is that Users can
> > install Win XP more than once and get away with it until MS does
> > something to home user pirates.
> >
> > The vendors license is clear, and so is the section of TITLE that he
> > spouts - one install per license,
>
> It says no such thing
>
> Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117: Limitations on exclusive rights:
> Computer programs
> (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.
>
> How does a law that allows ADDITIONAL Adaptations/Installations say
> anything one install per license. Hell, it doesn't even mention
> "license" at all.
>
>
>
> > backup copies are permitted as long
> > as they are only used for backup of the media, not to be installed at
> > the same time on any other computer/system.
> >
> > What his diatribe comes down to is that he doesn't like a vendor
> > forcing him to have to pay for software beyond the first copy and he
> > will make sure that everyone knows they can pirate additional copies
> > even if it violates the license agreement. In reality he's just
> > advocating simple theft, as use without purchase or approval by the
> > vendor takes money from the vendor and is theft to most reasonable
> > people in the world.
> >
> > If you want refreshing, switch to another OS where you are not
> > limited by a restrictive EULA.
> >
> > If you read the EULA and even look at Kurts posting of that Title,
> > it's clear that installing unlicensed copies is a direct violation of
> > the vendors EULA. I see no difference in his willful disregard
> > violation of a MS EULA and any other vendors EULA.
>
> Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117 Is a limitation on the rights of the
> software copyright owner, and a protection from infringement of the
> owner of a copy of software. Saying that it doesn't allow installing
> additional copies is a pure perversion of it's meaning!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
>
>

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