Re: FYI: Security Problems Plague XP SP2 via Symantec/McAfee

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From: Charles C. Drew (ccdrew11_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 02/27/05 

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:17:50 -0600

When or if I can no longer renew my virus list update subscription, I will simply uninstall NAV and install something else. I do have the expertise to remove the associated registry entries, and have done so in the past with this version to assist other's with problems they encountered.

I don't have any issues with the preferences of others. I do plan on sticking with my current choice since it works perfectly for me at the moment.
  "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message news:uOli68xGFHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
  As you yourself have said Drew that you are using version Symantec version
  2002. Why should a user have to use such an old antivirus product to get
  protection. When your subscription runs out, how do you plan on unistalling
  Symantec (Norton) 2002 product? Do you have the expertise to remove the
  associated registry entries? I agree with Gary S. Terhune, that EZARMOR by
  E-Trust Computer Associates is a great antivirus and firewall product.

  "Charles C. Drew" <ccdrew11@hotmail.com> wrote in message
  news:OPB6OLqGFHA.904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
  I just checked my machine and NAV 2002 has 3 processes running...

  00:00:02 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security
  Center\SymWSC.exe
  00:00:01 C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
  00:00:07 C:\PROGRA~1\NORTON~2\navapw32.exe

  With my machine running for 13 hours the processes have only uses the above
  listed amount of CPU time (as seen with TaskInfo 2003 task manager program.
  This is with me running Outlook and processing about 40 pieces of mail,
  browsing to 30-40 web sites, using Pocket PC sync software, and running a few
  games. It doesn't look like a CPU hog to me. By the way, my PC is an AMD
  Athlon 2500 with 512 Mb of RAM and an WD 80 Gb HD with 8Mb cache (not the
  fastest machine, but no slouch either).

  Norton System Security, Norton Utilities, etc. are another thing altogether.
  These programs eat up CPU, memory, and disk space making any PC sluggish. I
  do have Norton Utilities 2002 installed but all the automated stuff is turned
  off (Norton System Doctor, Norton's recycle bin, etc.). I only use a few of
  the tools like unerase and Speedisk to defrag floppies and memory cards (none
  of the other defrag tools will do floppies or memory cards and that includes
  Diskeeper which I have or Perfect Disk which I tried).

  Please provide some details on what makes NAV 2002 so bad. So far, I've not
  got any infections in over 10 years of use of various NAV version, and none
  since NAV 2002 came out. I have to say the older version of the Virus update
  tool (LiveUpdate) were unreliable at best. They kept failing to update for
  no apparent reason, but the latest version (2.6) has been perfect.

  Symantec has definitely lost their reputation in the past 5 years or so. The
  "innovations" appear more like "bait" and "fluff" instead of useable
  features. This is the main reason I stopped buying their software since
  2002. Norton Utilities stopped improving after they came up with Norton
  System Doctor and Norton Recycle bin. Both of these "features" caused more
  problems than they fixed.

    "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
  news:%23liTRWWGFHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    I'm Back!!! You tell them Gary. I personally do not like Avast! because
  of
    its constant scanning and annoying interface. I use AntiVir on 98SE and it
    is made in Germany. AVG is fine and Gary is absolutely correct on Norton
    (now Symantec) products as well as McAfee products. I only use GoBack for
  my
    98SE and although it is made by Symantec it was created by Roxio and only
    recently (a few years I think) bought by Symantec. Symantec did a few
    enhancements to GoBack and some cluttering up of the user's registry which
  is
    in all their products. I accept the more clogged registry for the
  protection
    of System Restore that GoBack (latest version) provides a user's PC. Also,
    with my beta-testing of Microsoft products I need to make sure my PC is
  safe
    as well as having the burned cd's, jumpdrive with backups (256 mb) on my
    keychain and assorted 3.5 floppies that I need to consolite to a cd some
  day
    I think I am pretty safe. I now have a Plextor DVD burner -- model number
    PX-708A that I bought a while back and some day I will consolidate but time
    is too valuable for that now. (I saw Ground Zero and let the death of my
    brother's friend go and the death of my maintenace man's nephew go and I
  give
    all the glory to God who protects me and gives me strength to live another
    day! GodSpeed Everyone!)

    "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:uwx$NUdFFHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    : I've been attending this group since early 1999--and Norton AV has
    : *always* been problematic during that entire time. So has McAfee. So has
    : PCCillan. Problematic in the sense that they caused problems. Back when
    : Norton 2000, and then 2001, came out, people were saying the same things
    : about those versions compared with past solutions that you guys are
    : saying about newer versions now.
    :
    : Whereas other solutions, like InoculateIt Personal Edition (which became
    : eTrust EZAV), AVG and AVAST may have had problems with automatic
    : updating or other minor issues, but they *never* interfere with the OS.
    :
    : The only reason Norton and McAfee still exist in the "home" versions is
    : that they have long had deals with the major computer vendors such that
    : they come preinstalled.
    :
    : --
    : Gary S. Terhune
    : MS MVP Shell/User
    : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    :
    : "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
    : news:uJqpSDcFFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    : >
    : > "Charles C. Drew" <ccdrew11@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    : > news:uMJck6SFFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    : >
    : > This is the main reason I use the following products on my machine.
    : >
    : > 1) Symantec Anti-Virus 2002 (doesn't have any of the described
    : fatware that
    : > was added to the newer versions. Works great with low CPU
    : utilization.).
    : >
    : > [...]
    : > That's just not true, 2002 absolutely is the first version With all
    : the added
    : > anti theft extra modules fatware that is and has been included with
    : every
    : > version since and including 2002 that has plagued millions of users
    : > penalizing them at every turn; just notice all the extra running
    : processes.
    : > Consider yourself lucky so far, you have no idea.
    : >
    : > I will say that the Norton AV (stand-alone) 2001 version is their
    : greatest
    : > accomplishment, however it's too bad it will not work properly with
    : WXP.

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