Re: retail license

From: Mike Brannigan [MSFT] (mikebran_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: 02/16/05 

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:43:55 -0000

"Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MdudnSg-kNZCpI7fRVn-2w@comcast.com...
> Your prior post indicates that I will not be able to use an OEM CD to
> build
> and roll back so that a retail copy can go with the machine. Did I misread
> this? I only want to activate the retail copy if I have to use it to
> configure the machine.

That is correct if you use for example an OEM to build then roll back and
then ship the PC with a Retail the new user will not be able to enter the
Product Activation Key from the Retail to the OEM install and vice versa
(and so on with other build types)

There is also a basic (legal) licensing issue in that you cannot install one
license type and sell another. 

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Mike
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"Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MdudnSg-kNZCpI7fRVn-2w@comcast.com...
> Your prior post indicates that I will not be able to use an OEM CD to 
> build
> and roll back so that a retail copy can go with the machine. Did I misread
> this? I only want to activate the retail copy if I have to use it to
> configure the machine.
>
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:u2Ys7x$EFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:BIKdnRfEC4-iF4_fRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>> > It sounds like I would have both types and have a problem. If I install
>> > the
>> > Retail copy and don't activate it because the machine doesn't get sold
>> > will
>> > it (the retail copy) still be  one I can sell with a differently
>> > configured
>> > machine?
>>
>> If you are going to sell this machine I thought you were goinng to build
> it
>> then using tools like SYSPRE roll back the setup so the new user can 
>> enter
>> the product activationkey.
>> Why are you now planning to activate it ?
>>
>> > In otherwords, can I just install and configure the retail copy
>> > that is going out with the machine and save activation to the last
> moment.
>>
>> Once installed you have a period of time to activate after which time the
>> logon process is disrupted until the machine is activated - if you sell
> the
>> machine like this the new user will not have a good  user experience.
>>
>> > Then if the machine doesn't sell and is torn down for parts can I
>> > reinstall,
>> > activate and resell the retail copy?
>> >
>>
>> Yes ONLY if it is a retail copy.  Unless you are going to become a proper
>> OEM System Builder.
>>
>> > I'm a noob when it comes to resale. Any advice you have would be
>> > appreciated.
>>
>> The Best advice if you are going to make a business out of this is to go
> to
>> the link Carey provide to become a proper OEM system builder.
>> You may also need an accountant and possibly a lawyer. Also be advised
> that
>> if you do become a System Builder you will be responsible for the
> provision
>> of operating system support to the end users if you are pre-installing 
>> OEM
>> media.  If you use Retail media then there is no requirement for OS
> support
>> although you may be liable for support fo the hardware system.
>>
>> > I've built systems for others but always did it with a new
>> > retail copy for people that had pretty specific requests for special
>> > hardware. This person doesn't know enough to know what he needs so I 
>> > may
>> > just have to buy some hardware and risk that he'll jump at it once it's
>> > built. The hardware will recycle well to my own computer at some point
> but
>> > I'm not keen on having an extra copy of Windows.
>> >
>> > Scott
>>
>> I am confused by what you are trying to do here.  Are you getting into 
>> the
>> business of building and reselling system with our OS preinstalled in
> which
>> case you are getting into the OEM System Builder space.
>> Or are you just building the odd system or your friends or is this still
> for
>> sale to third parties ?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>> --
>> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights
>>
>> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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>>
>> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:BIKdnRfEC4-iF4_fRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>> > It sounds like I would have both types and have a problem. If I install
>> > the
>> > Retail copy and don't activate it because the machine doesn't get sold
>> > will
>> > it (the retail copy) still be  one I can sell with a differently
>> > configured
>> > machine? In otherwords, can I just install and configure the retail 
>> > copy
>> > that is going out with the machine and save activation to the last
> moment.
>> > Then if the machine doesn't sell and is torn down for parts can I
>> > reinstall,
>> > activate and resell the retail copy?
>> >
>> > I'm a noob when it comes to resale. Any advice you have would be
>> > appreciated. I've built systems for others but always did it with a new
>> > retail copy for people that had pretty specific requests for special
>> > hardware. This person doesn't know enough to know what he needs so I 
>> > may
>> > just have to buy some hardware and risk that he'll jump at it once it's
>> > built. The hardware will recycle well to my own computer at some point
> but
>> > I'm not keen on having an extra copy of Windows.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in 
>> > message
>> > news:%23P%23Cwm6EFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:r9qdnReOy8Z89I_fRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> >> > Thanks for the info. This sounds like what I want to do. Can you
>> >> > clarify
>> >> > "As
>> >> > long as the types of CD used are the same"? Are all XP Pro CDs the
>> >> > same?
>> >> > Scott
>> >>
>> >> As regards what you want to do there are 2 type of XP CD the OEM CD or
>> >> the
>> >> retail one (big blue or green box).
>> >> If you intend to install the machine and then roll back to allow for
> the
>> > new
>> >> user to enter their key you must use the same media as the one you
> supply
>> >> the new user.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> --
>> >> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights
>> >>
>> >> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
>> >> newsgroups
>> >>
>> >> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:r9qdnReOy8Z89I_fRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> >> > Thanks for the info. This sounds like what I want to do. Can you
>> >> > clarify
>> >> > "As
>> >> > long as the types of CD used are the same"? Are all XP Pro CDs the
>> >> > same?
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> > message
>> >> > news:Oop0462EFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:DomdnRA6JtPfmI_fRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>> >> >> > Hi:
>> >> >> > I'm considering building a system for resale. Is there a way I 
>> >> >> > can
>> > load
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > configure my copy of windows in the machine and then when the
>> >> >> > machine
>> >> >> > sells
>> >> >> > add in a retail copy of WinXPpro activate the retail copy with 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > machine?
>> >> >> > I do not want to install or activate the retail copy until I know
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > machine is going to be sold but want to have the machine set up
> and
>> >> >> > configured just before the sale. How can I learn more about
>> > installing
>> >> >> > Windows on machines for resale? Thanks.
>> >> >> > Scott
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As long as the types of CD used are the same - one to build and one
> to
>> >> > sell
>> >> >> with it.
>> >> >> You can use SYSPREP and all the documentation in the deploy.cab and
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> other files in the SUPPORT\TOOLS folder on the CD.
>> >> >> This will allow you to build the PC with media and then unroll the
>> > setup
>> >> > to
>> >> >> the point of the new user entering the product key etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> >> rights
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use 
>> >> >> these
>> >> >> newsgroups
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Freebie" <SBFreemanAT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:DomdnRA6JtPfmI_fRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>> >> >> > Hi:
>> >> >> > I'm considering building a system for resale. Is there a way I 
>> >> >> > can
>> > load
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > configure my copy of windows in the machine and then when the
>> >> >> > machine
>> >> >> > sells
>> >> >> > add in a retail copy of WinXPpro activate the retail copy with 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > machine?
>> >> >> > I do not want to install or activate the retail copy until I know
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > machine is going to be sold but want to have the machine set up
> and
>> >> >> > configured just before the sale. How can I learn more about
>> > installing
>> >> >> > Windows on machines for resale? Thanks.
>> >> >> > Scott
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
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