Re: I'm done with this thread - was: Alias acting like a troll
From: kurttrail (dontemailme_at_anywhereintheknowuniverse.org)
Date: 02/13/05
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:13:39 -0500
Steve N. wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Steve N. wrote:
>>
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:18:37 -0800, Steve N. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No offense Leythos, but I don't believe you even know what a real
>>>>> troll is and frankly, I think you just got tired of arguing with
>>>>> Alias and Kurt and finally resorted to name-calling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I get tired of arguing with anyone, heck, I have three teenage kids
>>>> that I can argue with when I need it (even when I don't).
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kurt was entertaining
>>>> for a while, but once he let on about his true motivations it was
>>>> easy to see that he's just trying to justify something to feel good
>>>> about.
>>>
>>> I beleive you are wrong about that. I've been happily yakking with
>>> Kurt here for a couple of years now and my honest impression is that
>>> he's quite secure in himself and doesn't need to justify anything in
>>> order to feel good about anything he does. I'm not trying to defend
>>> him, he does that just fine for himself, I'm just offering my
>>> opinion in deference to yours, and remember, yours is just an
>>> opinion as well, not fact, and I respectfully suggest that you
>>> ammend your apparent attitude concerning that reality.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alias,
>>>> actually, I did let his one snipe get the better of me and I
>>>> replied in an immature manner,
>>>
>>> Yeah. I thought it was funny, though. It was like, "Mom! Alias is
>>> acting like a troll!" LOL! I appreciate that you can cop to it,
>>> though. Good for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> but I also learned something from him - and even told him
>>>> as much.
>>>
>>> Very good. I learn something from almost everyone. I've learned from
>>> you, as a matter of fact. Thanks for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you were to go back in the posts the first name calling was
>>>> not by me, kurt use "pet" names a couple times,
>>>
>>> If you were to go even further back you'd see that's normal
>>> behaviour for Kurt. Nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, I
>>> think it's kinda funny and I think his intent is to be humorous and
>>> have a little fun while trying to make a point. He's clearly said
>>> as much himself.
>>>
>>>> and that's about the time
>>>> I started putting it all together about him.
>>>
>>> Putting all _what_ together about him? That he sees the difference
>>> between the words "law" and "license agreement"? That he believes it
>>> is within end users' legal rights to use a shrink-wrap-licensed
>>> product as they see fit in the privacy of their own homes and that
>>> portions of the EULA might not be legally binding under fair use
>>> provisions of US copyright law and that a court decision would be
>>> needed in order to determine whether they are or not and that it is
>>> incumbent upon the licensor to sue the licensee in order to dispute
>>> an alleged violation of such an agreement? I'm not a lawyer but it
>>> looks like he's done his homework to me. All you guys (certain MVPs
>>> and MVP-wannabes) seem to be able to come up with is, "It's the EULA
>>> and you agreed to it by installing the software, whether you knew it
>>> or not."
>>> Or is it that you're p!ssed-off because he may have "violated" the
>>> EULA himself, in the privacy of his own home?
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, it's because he allegedly advocates such EULA violations
>>> for private citizens. What the heck should YOU care about that even
>>> if he has? Are you Microsoft Corporation? Let them fight their own
>>> battles. You're probably bucking for MVP aren't you? Ok, wave that
>>> flag then. Good luck. Maybe you'll get another shingle to hang on
>>> your wall and impress your bosses.
>>>
>>> Word up; Microsoft's EULAs are NOT law. Tell you what, how about you
>>> find one of your neighbors that has installed Windows on more than
>>> one computer in their home without buying additional licenses and
>>> make a citizen's arrest for violating the EULA. Bwahahahaaaa! Lead
>>> balloons and floating rocks come to mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm basically done with his BS,
>>>
>>> Ok.
>>>
>>>
>>>> he's not proven his side, not shows where
>>>> he's got even the slightest point (in the USA),
>>>
>>> But wait! You said you were done! LOL!
>>>
>>> If you'd have read what the man actually writes, he clearly says he
>>> CAN'T prove his side, it will take a court decision to prove or
>>> disprove it and it's not up to him to prove it, it is up to
>>> Microsoft to disprove it in a court of law.
>>>
>>> Now as I see it there are two possible avenues for getting there,
>>> either MS takes private citizens to court for alleged license
>>> violations or private citizens take MS to court with a class-action
>>> suit against Microsoft for the EULA attempting to violate their
>>> rights as private citizens to utilize copyrighted material as they
>>> see fit in the privacy of their own homes under the fair use
>>> provisons of US copyright laws, which by the way, are intentionally
>>> geared in favor of THE PEOPLE, and _NOT_ in favor of the copyright
>>> holder.
>>> MS won't take it to court, they don't have to, they have the
>>> software technology to effectively twart most "casual piracy", as
>>> they termed it, and it appears to be working very well for them and
>>> the lawyers aren't cheap. The fact that they have admittedly
>>> targeted _consumers_ in this regard says something about their
>>> concern for the common folks that use and rely on their products.
>>> It's a technological marketing gimmick in reality, but it will
>>> inevitably eventually backfire on MS. The customer is ALWAYS right.
>>> Watch and learn.
>>>> and his doesn't contribute
>>>> to the group.
>>>
>>> In a word: bullsh!t. Kurt has been helpful here. He's obviously not
>>> bucking for an MVP nomination so he isn't overly prolific about it
>>> like some people are here. I swear, some of you people ought to get
>>> back to work. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>> As for not knowing a "real" troll, well, they come in many flavors,
>>>> and I've seen many types since the late 80's (they really didn't
>>>> come out in the early 80's since mostly serious people only had
>>>> access back then). Stick around, you'll see more examples of them,
>>>> try some of the other groups related to OS's :)
>>>
>>> Oh trust me, I've seen my share. I've been "online" since before
>>> there was even an internet. And I respectfully disagree, I've seen
>>> the term "troll" tossed around ad nauseum when someone disagrees,
>>> is at a loss to rationally argue their point(s) of view, and simply
>>> can't think of something better to say.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have a good weekend.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you, I am :) Take good care of those kids.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ROFLMFAO! You really have read too many of my posts. :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> Yeah, I guess I have. I blame it on beer and boredom.
>
> Steve
Beer is good, and we should be thankful for its blessings! ;-)
-- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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