Re: I'm done with this thread - was: Alias acting like a troll

From: Steve N. (me_at_here.now)
Date: 02/13/05 

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:51:14 GMT

kurttrail wrote:
> Steve N. wrote:
>
>>Leythos wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:18:37 -0800, Steve N. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No offense Leythos, but I don't believe you even know what a real
>>>>troll is and frankly, I think you just got tired of arguing with
>>>>Alias and Kurt and finally resorted to name-calling.
>>>
>>>
>>>I get tired of arguing with anyone, heck, I have three teenage kids
>>>that I can argue with when I need it (even when I don't).
>>
>>LOL!
>>
>>
>>>Kurt was entertaining
>>>for a while, but once he let on about his true motivations it was
>>>easy to see that he's just trying to justify something to feel good
>>>about.
>>
>>I beleive you are wrong about that. I've been happily yakking with
>>Kurt here for a couple of years now and my honest impression is that
>>he's quite secure in himself and doesn't need to justify anything in
>>order to feel good about anything he does. I'm not trying to defend
>>him, he does that just fine for himself, I'm just offering my opinion
>>in deference to yours, and remember, yours is just an opinion as
>>well, not fact, and I respectfully suggest that you ammend your
>>apparent attitude concerning that reality.
>>
>>
>>>Alias,
>>>actually, I did let his one snipe get the better of me and I replied
>>>in an immature manner,
>>
>>Yeah. I thought it was funny, though. It was like, "Mom! Alias is
>>acting like a troll!" LOL! I appreciate that you can cop to it,
>>though. Good for you.
>>
>>
>>>but I also learned something from him - and even told him
>>>as much.
>>
>>Very good. I learn something from almost everyone. I've learned from
>>you, as a matter of fact. Thanks for that.
>>
>>
>>>If you were to go back in the posts the first name calling was
>>>not by me, kurt use "pet" names a couple times,
>>
>>If you were to go even further back you'd see that's normal behaviour
>>for Kurt. Nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, I think it's
>>kinda funny and I think his intent is to be humorous and have a
>>little fun while trying to make a point. He's clearly said as much
>>himself.
>>
>>>and that's about the time
>>>I started putting it all together about him.
>>
>>Putting all _what_ together about him? That he sees the difference
>>between the words "law" and "license agreement"? That he believes it
>>is within end users' legal rights to use a shrink-wrap-licensed
>>product as they see fit in the privacy of their own homes and that
>>portions of the EULA might not be legally binding under fair use
>>provisions of US copyright law and that a court decision would be
>>needed in order to determine whether they are or not and that it is
>>incumbent upon the licensor to sue the licensee in order to dispute
>>an alleged violation of such an agreement? I'm not a lawyer but it
>>looks like he's done his homework to me. All you guys (certain MVPs
>>and MVP-wannabes) seem to be able to come up with is, "It's the EULA
>>and you agreed to it by installing the software, whether you knew it
>>or not."
>>Or is it that you're p!ssed-off because he may have "violated" the
>>EULA himself, in the privacy of his own home?
>>
>>Oh yeah, it's because he allegedly advocates such EULA violations for
>>private citizens. What the heck should YOU care about that even if he
>>has? Are you Microsoft Corporation? Let them fight their own battles.
>>You're probably bucking for MVP aren't you? Ok, wave that flag then.
>>Good luck. Maybe you'll get another shingle to hang on your wall and
>>impress your bosses.
>>
>>Word up; Microsoft's EULAs are NOT law. Tell you what, how about you
>>find one of your neighbors that has installed Windows on more than one
>>computer in their home without buying additional licenses and make a
>>citizen's arrest for violating the EULA. Bwahahahaaaa! Lead balloons
>>and floating rocks come to mind.
>>
>>
>>>I'm basically done with his BS,
>>
>>Ok.
>>
>>
>>>he's not proven his side, not shows where
>>>he's got even the slightest point (in the USA),
>>
>>But wait! You said you were done! LOL!
>>
>>If you'd have read what the man actually writes, he clearly says he
>>CAN'T prove his side, it will take a court decision to prove or
>>disprove it and it's not up to him to prove it, it is up to Microsoft
>>to disprove it in a court of law.
>>
>>Now as I see it there are two possible avenues for getting there,
>>either MS takes private citizens to court for alleged license
>>violations or private citizens take MS to court with a class-action
>>suit against Microsoft for the EULA attempting to violate their
>>rights as private citizens to utilize copyrighted material as they
>>see fit in the privacy of their own homes under the fair use
>>provisons of US copyright laws, which by the way, are intentionally
>>geared in favor of THE PEOPLE, and _NOT_ in favor of the copyright
>>holder.
>>MS won't take it to court, they don't have to, they have the software
>>technology to effectively twart most "casual piracy", as they termed
>>it, and it appears to be working very well for them and the lawyers
>>aren't cheap. The fact that they have admittedly targeted _consumers_
>>in this regard says something about their concern for the common
>>folks that use and rely on their products. It's a technological
>>marketing gimmick in reality, but it will inevitably eventually
>>backfire on MS. The customer is ALWAYS right. Watch and learn.
>>
>>
>>>and his doesn't contribute
>>>to the group.
>>
>>In a word: bullsh!t. Kurt has been helpful here. He's obviously not
>>bucking for an MVP nomination so he isn't overly prolific about it
>>like some people are here. I swear, some of you people ought to get
>>back to work. ;)
>>
>>
>>>As for not knowing a "real" troll, well, they come in many flavors,
>>>and I've seen many types since the late 80's (they really didn't
>>>come out in the early 80's since mostly serious people only had
>>>access back then). Stick around, you'll see more examples of them,
>>>try some of the other groups related to OS's :)
>>
>>Oh trust me, I've seen my share. I've been "online" since before there
>>was even an internet. And I respectfully disagree, I've seen the term
>>"troll" tossed around ad nauseum when someone disagrees, is at a loss
>>to rationally argue their point(s) of view, and simply can't think of
>>something better to say.
>>
>>
>>>Have a good weekend.
>>>
>>
>>Thank you, I am :) Take good care of those kids.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> ROFLMFAO! You really have read too many of my posts. :)
>
> Thanks!
>

Yeah, I guess I have. I blame it on beer and boredom.

Steve

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