Re: I'm done with this thread - was: Alias acting like a troll
From: kurttrail (dontemailme_at_anywhereintheknowuniverse.org)
Date: 02/13/05
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:33:53 -0500
Steve N. wrote:
> Leythos wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:18:37 -0800, Steve N. wrote:
>>
>>> No offense Leythos, but I don't believe you even know what a real
>>> troll is and frankly, I think you just got tired of arguing with
>>> Alias and Kurt and finally resorted to name-calling.
>>
>>
>> I get tired of arguing with anyone, heck, I have three teenage kids
>> that I can argue with when I need it (even when I don't).
>
> LOL!
>
>> Kurt was entertaining
>> for a while, but once he let on about his true motivations it was
>> easy to see that he's just trying to justify something to feel good
>> about.
>
> I beleive you are wrong about that. I've been happily yakking with
> Kurt here for a couple of years now and my honest impression is that
> he's quite secure in himself and doesn't need to justify anything in
> order to feel good about anything he does. I'm not trying to defend
> him, he does that just fine for himself, I'm just offering my opinion
> in deference to yours, and remember, yours is just an opinion as
> well, not fact, and I respectfully suggest that you ammend your
> apparent attitude concerning that reality.
>
>> Alias,
>> actually, I did let his one snipe get the better of me and I replied
>> in an immature manner,
>
> Yeah. I thought it was funny, though. It was like, "Mom! Alias is
> acting like a troll!" LOL! I appreciate that you can cop to it,
> though. Good for you.
>
>> but I also learned something from him - and even told him
>> as much.
>
> Very good. I learn something from almost everyone. I've learned from
> you, as a matter of fact. Thanks for that.
>
>> If you were to go back in the posts the first name calling was
>> not by me, kurt use "pet" names a couple times,
>
> If you were to go even further back you'd see that's normal behaviour
> for Kurt. Nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, I think it's
> kinda funny and I think his intent is to be humorous and have a
> little fun while trying to make a point. He's clearly said as much
> himself.
>> and that's about the time
>> I started putting it all together about him.
>
> Putting all _what_ together about him? That he sees the difference
> between the words "law" and "license agreement"? That he believes it
> is within end users' legal rights to use a shrink-wrap-licensed
> product as they see fit in the privacy of their own homes and that
> portions of the EULA might not be legally binding under fair use
> provisions of US copyright law and that a court decision would be
> needed in order to determine whether they are or not and that it is
> incumbent upon the licensor to sue the licensee in order to dispute
> an alleged violation of such an agreement? I'm not a lawyer but it
> looks like he's done his homework to me. All you guys (certain MVPs
> and MVP-wannabes) seem to be able to come up with is, "It's the EULA
> and you agreed to it by installing the software, whether you knew it
> or not."
> Or is it that you're p!ssed-off because he may have "violated" the
> EULA himself, in the privacy of his own home?
>
> Oh yeah, it's because he allegedly advocates such EULA violations for
> private citizens. What the heck should YOU care about that even if he
> has? Are you Microsoft Corporation? Let them fight their own battles.
> You're probably bucking for MVP aren't you? Ok, wave that flag then.
> Good luck. Maybe you'll get another shingle to hang on your wall and
> impress your bosses.
>
> Word up; Microsoft's EULAs are NOT law. Tell you what, how about you
> find one of your neighbors that has installed Windows on more than one
> computer in their home without buying additional licenses and make a
> citizen's arrest for violating the EULA. Bwahahahaaaa! Lead balloons
> and floating rocks come to mind.
>
>>
>> I'm basically done with his BS,
>
> Ok.
>
>> he's not proven his side, not shows where
>> he's got even the slightest point (in the USA),
>
> But wait! You said you were done! LOL!
>
> If you'd have read what the man actually writes, he clearly says he
> CAN'T prove his side, it will take a court decision to prove or
> disprove it and it's not up to him to prove it, it is up to Microsoft
> to disprove it in a court of law.
>
> Now as I see it there are two possible avenues for getting there,
> either MS takes private citizens to court for alleged license
> violations or private citizens take MS to court with a class-action
> suit against Microsoft for the EULA attempting to violate their
> rights as private citizens to utilize copyrighted material as they
> see fit in the privacy of their own homes under the fair use
> provisons of US copyright laws, which by the way, are intentionally
> geared in favor of THE PEOPLE, and _NOT_ in favor of the copyright
> holder.
> MS won't take it to court, they don't have to, they have the software
> technology to effectively twart most "casual piracy", as they termed
> it, and it appears to be working very well for them and the lawyers
> aren't cheap. The fact that they have admittedly targeted _consumers_
> in this regard says something about their concern for the common
> folks that use and rely on their products. It's a technological
> marketing gimmick in reality, but it will inevitably eventually
> backfire on MS. The customer is ALWAYS right. Watch and learn.
>
>> and his doesn't contribute
>> to the group.
>
> In a word: bullsh!t. Kurt has been helpful here. He's obviously not
> bucking for an MVP nomination so he isn't overly prolific about it
> like some people are here. I swear, some of you people ought to get
> back to work. ;)
>
>>
>> As for not knowing a "real" troll, well, they come in many flavors,
>> and I've seen many types since the late 80's (they really didn't
>> come out in the early 80's since mostly serious people only had
>> access back then). Stick around, you'll see more examples of them,
>> try some of the other groups related to OS's :)
>
> Oh trust me, I've seen my share. I've been "online" since before there
> was even an internet. And I respectfully disagree, I've seen the term
> "troll" tossed around ad nauseum when someone disagrees, is at a loss
> to rationally argue their point(s) of view, and simply can't think of
> something better to say.
>
>>
>> Have a good weekend.
>>
>
> Thank you, I am :) Take good care of those kids.
>
> Steve
ROFLMFAO! You really have read too many of my posts. :)
Thanks!
-- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
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