Re: I'm done with this thread - was: Alias acting like a troll

From: Steve N. (me_at_here.now)
Date: 02/12/05 

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:36:32 GMT

Leythos wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:18:37 -0800, Steve N. wrote:
>
>>No offense Leythos, but I don't believe you even know what a real troll
>>is and frankly, I think you just got tired of arguing with Alias and
>>Kurt and finally resorted to name-calling.
>
>
> I get tired of arguing with anyone, heck, I have three teenage kids that I
> can argue with when I need it (even when I don't).

LOL!

> Kurt was entertaining
> for a while, but once he let on about his true motivations it was easy to
> see that he's just trying to justify something to feel good about.

I beleive you are wrong about that. I've been happily yakking with Kurt
here for a couple of years now and my honest impression is that he's
quite secure in himself and doesn't need to justify anything in order to
feel good about anything he does. I'm not trying to defend him, he does
that just fine for himself, I'm just offering my opinion in deference to
yours, and remember, yours is just an opinion as well, not fact, and I
respectfully suggest that you ammend your apparent attitude concerning
that reality.

> Alias,
> actually, I did let his one snipe get the better of me and I replied in an
> immature manner,

Yeah. I thought it was funny, though. It was like, "Mom! Alias is acting
like a troll!" LOL! I appreciate that you can cop to it, though. Good
for you.

> but I also learned something from him - and even told him
> as much.

Very good. I learn something from almost everyone. I've learned from
you, as a matter of fact. Thanks for that.

> If you were to go back in the posts the first name calling was
> not by me, kurt use "pet" names a couple times,

If you were to go even further back you'd see that's normal behaviour
for Kurt. Nothing anyone can do about that. Besides, I think it's kinda
funny and I think his intent is to be humorous and have a little fun
while trying to make a point. He's clearly said as much himself.

> and that's about the time
> I started putting it all together about him.

Putting all _what_ together about him? That he sees the difference
between the words "law" and "license agreement"? That he believes it is
within end users' legal rights to use a shrink-wrap-licensed product as
they see fit in the privacy of their own homes and that portions of the
EULA might not be legally binding under fair use provisions of US
copyright law and that a court decision would be needed in order to
determine whether they are or not and that it is incumbent upon the
licensor to sue the licensee in order to dispute an alleged violation of
such an agreement? I'm not a lawyer but it looks like he's done his
homework to me. All you guys (certain MVPs and MVP-wannabes) seem to be
able to come up with is, "It's the EULA and you agreed to it by
installing the software, whether you knew it or not."

Or is it that you're p!ssed-off because he may have "violated" the EULA
himself, in the privacy of his own home?

Oh yeah, it's because he allegedly advocates such EULA violations for
private citizens. What the heck should YOU care about that even if he
has? Are you Microsoft Corporation? Let them fight their own battles.
You're probably bucking for MVP aren't you? Ok, wave that flag then.
Good luck. Maybe you'll get another shingle to hang on your wall and
impress your bosses.

Word up; Microsoft's EULAs are NOT law. Tell you what, how about you
find one of your neighbors that has installed Windows on more than one
computer in their home without buying additional licenses and make a
citizen's arrest for violating the EULA. Bwahahahaaaa! Lead balloons and
floating rocks come to mind.

>
> I'm basically done with his BS,

Ok.

> he's not proven his side, not shows where
> he's got even the slightest point (in the USA),

But wait! You said you were done! LOL!

If you'd have read what the man actually writes, he clearly says he
CAN'T prove his side, it will take a court decision to prove or disprove
it and it's not up to him to prove it, it is up to Microsoft to disprove
it in a court of law.

Now as I see it there are two possible avenues for getting there, either
MS takes private citizens to court for alleged license violations or
private citizens take MS to court with a class-action suit against
Microsoft for the EULA attempting to violate their rights as private
citizens to utilize copyrighted material as they see fit in the privacy
of their own homes under the fair use provisons of US copyright laws,
which by the way, are intentionally geared in favor of THE PEOPLE, and
_NOT_ in favor of the copyright holder.

MS won't take it to court, they don't have to, they have the software
technology to effectively twart most "casual piracy", as they termed it,
and it appears to be working very well for them and the lawyers aren't
cheap. The fact that they have admittedly targeted _consumers_ in this
regard says something about their concern for the common folks that use
and rely on their products. It's a technological marketing gimmick in
reality, but it will inevitably eventually backfire on MS. The customer
is ALWAYS right. Watch and learn.

> and his doesn't contribute
> to the group.

In a word: bullsh!t. Kurt has been helpful here. He's obviously not
bucking for an MVP nomination so he isn't overly prolific about it like
some people are here. I swear, some of you people ought to get back to
work. ;)

>
> As for not knowing a "real" troll, well, they come in many flavors, and
> I've seen many types since the late 80's (they really didn't come out in
> the early 80's since mostly serious people only had access back then).
> Stick around, you'll see more examples of them, try some of the other
> groups related to OS's :)

Oh trust me, I've seen my share. I've been "online" since before there
was even an internet. And I respectfully disagree, I've seen the term
"troll" tossed around ad nauseum when someone disagrees, is at a loss to
rationally argue their point(s) of view, and simply can't think of
something better to say.

>
> Have a good weekend.
>

Thank you, I am :) Take good care of those kids.

Steve

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