Re: Page file and VM problems
From: R. C. White (rc_at_corridor.net)
Date: 01/18/05
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:08:31 -0600
Hi, Dora.
> I don't now how those Win9X/Me files got into Win XP, but they are there.
You might as well delete them unless you have MS-DOS or Win9x/ME installed;
they are just taking up disk space.
Your boot.ini looks fine, assuming WinXP is on the second volume of your
first HD, probably D:.
But you didn't answer my other questions: How many HDs? How are they
partitioned? How much unused space on each volume?
RC
-- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@corridor.net Microsoft Windows MVP "DFD" <DFD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:877A48C1-6F56-4A15-BBBA-EC1A8E2835D7@microsoft.com... > R.C. White: > > I don't now how those Win9X/Me files got into Win XP, but they are there. > The other files you mention are in c:\ and the text of boot.ini is: > > [boot loader] > timeout=30 > default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS > [operating systems] > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP > Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn > > > "R. C. White" wrote: > >> Hi, Dora. >> >> In your reply to Alex Nichol, you said: >> >> > The only .sys files I see in the root directory are >> > congig.sys, io.sys and msdos.sys. >> >> Whoa!! Something does not compute! Config.sys, io.sys and msdos.sys are >> Win9x/ME files. They are NOT WinXP files. How did they get into your >> C:\? >> >> There's something about your computer that you haven't told us, Dora! >> And >> it might be what is causing your problems. >> >> Do you have the system files C:\NTLDR? C:\NTDETECT.COM? C:\Boot.ini? >> If >> so, please post the text of C:\Boot.ini. >> >> >> If this doesn't solve your problem, please post back. Tell us the >> >> make >> >> and >> >> model of your computer, how much RAM, how many HDs and how they are >> >> partitioned. MY COMPUTER IS A DELL DIMENSIONS 4400, 256 MB DDR SDRAM, >> >> PENTIUM 4 PROCESSOR AT 1.6 GHz. >> >> You left out some things that I asked for (how many HDs and how they are >> partitioned) and some things that I didn't realize I needed to ask: >> >> What was pre-installed on your computer? Did it come with Win9x/ME >> pre-installed? How did WinXP get onto this computer? >> >> WinXP will run on a computer with only 256 MB RAM, but sluggishly; 512 is >> much better. And your computer apparently shares some of its memory with >> the graphics system. >> >> >> Total under Physical Memory; this should show the amount of RAM in >> >> your >> >> computer. : 261424 KB >> > Then look at Limit under Commit Charge; this shows the total of >> >> RAM and Virtual Memory. : 238552 KB >> > The difference is your page file.: 42.872 MB >> >> My formula failed to consider an important little "-"; I expected the >> Limit >> to be MORE than Total RAM. In your computer, the 261,424 KB / 1024 = >> ~256 >> MB of RAM. But the Limit is only 238,552 KB / 1024 = ~233 MB, or about >> 22 >> MB LESS than total RAM. Apparently, your computer is sharing the 256 MB >> RAM >> with your video system, which is using this 22 MB of RAM at the moment. >> I've never dealt with a "shared RAM" system, so I'm not sure how it >> affects >> Virtual Memory. But my assumption that "the difference is your page >> file" >> was obviously wrong; you can't have a MINUS page file. (261,424 - >> 238,552 = >> 22,872 KB / 1024 = 22.336 MB; how did you arrive at 42.872 MB?) >> >> Your computer apparently was built to support Win9x/ME and may be >> inadequate >> for WinXP. You haven't told us about your HD space (how much total and >> how >> much in C:); perhaps you have no room for WinXP to create a page file of >> ANY >> size there. :>( Go back to that "Change" page, where you set the page >> file >> volume and size. As we said: >> >> >> Then, select the volume where you want your page file to be, click >> >> System >> >> managed size, and Set. OK your way out and reboot, if necessary, for >> >> the >> >> change to take effect. I DID ALL THESE, NO SUCCESS, NO FILE. >> >> On that page, click on C:, then look just below the drive table and see >> what >> it shows as "Space available". What is that number? Click on each >> volume >> you have; what is the biggest Space available number you see on ANY >> volume? >> Perhaps you simply don't have enough space for a page file anywhere in >> your >> computer. WinXP can't create a page file if no unused space exists. :>( >> >> RC >> >> "DFD" <DFD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:19C93834-77CD-47F7-AA27-FF9B3BFAB92B@microsoft.com... >> > Hi RC: >> > Thank you for your response. I am answering each of your questions in >> > the >> > text of your reply. >> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, Dora. >> >> >> >> Are you logged in as an Administrator of this computer? YES >> > If so, then go to >> >> System Properties | Advanced | Performance/Settings | Advanced. What >> >> do >> >> you >> >> see at the bottom of this screen, just above the Change button? The >> >> line >> >> should say "Total paging file size for all drives", and the number >> >> should >> >> be >> >> 1.5 times your RAM, by default. >> > IT SAYS 0 MB >> >> >> >> Another way to verify that you do, in fact, have a page file is to >> >> press >> >> Ctrl+Alt+Del to bring up Task Manager, then click the Performance tab. >> >> Look >> >> at Total under Physical Memory; this should show the amount of RAM in >> >> your >> >> computer. : 261424 KB >> > Then look at Limit under Commit Charge; this shows the total of >> >> RAM and Virtual Memory. : 238552 KB >> > The difference is your page file.: 42.872 MB >> >> >> >> Pagefile.sys is always created in the Root of a volume (the Boot >> >> Volume >> >> by >> >> default), with the Hidden and System attributes, so it doesn't appear >> >> in >> >> normal directory listings. The file can be created in a different >> >> volume, >> >> but it will always be in the Root of that volume. So, the first place >> >> to >> >> look in the typical WinXP is C:\pagefile.sys, and be sure you can see >> >> the >> >> System and Hidden files. : I DID, STILL I DO NOT SEE IT >> > If you have other volumes, look in the Root of >> >> each (D:\, E:\, etc.) I DID, NO PAGEFILE.SYS FILE >> > >> > You can open a "DOS" window and use the Dir command >> >> with the /a switch to show All files, no matter their attributes: dir >> >> c:\ >> >> /a : I DID, NO PAGEFILE.SYS FILE >> >> >> >> If you click on that Change button I mentioned above, you should see a >> >> page >> >> that shows which volume WinXP is using, and you can change your >> >> settings >> >> there. First, choose each volume and click No paging file and then >> >> Set. >> >> Then, select the volume where you want your page file to be, click >> >> System >> >> managed size, and Set. OK your way out and reboot, if necessary, for >> >> the >> >> change to take effect. I DID ALL THESE, NO SUCCESS, NO FILE. >> >> >> >> MVP Alex Nichol knows more about Virtual Memory than most of us. You >> >> can >> >> read his explanation at: http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php : I READ >> >> HIS >> >> ARTICLE, BUT HAVING NOT FOUND THE FILE TO DELETE IT I WAS UNABLE TO >> >> PROCEED. >> >> >> >> If this doesn't solve your problem, please post back. Tell us the >> >> make >> >> and >> >> model of your computer, how much RAM, how many HDs and how they are >> >> partitioned. MY COMPUTER IS A DELL DIMENSIONS 4400, 256 MB DDR SDRAM, >> >> PENTIUM 4 PROCESSOR AT 1.6 GHz. >> > >> > Thank you (and Ken Blake for his attention) >> > >> > Dora >> > >> >> >> >> RC >> >> >> >> "DFD" <DFD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:94C874C5-98DA-4FB1-99EE-BB7F303AB4B9@microsoft.com... >> >> >I have XP Pro. Like many in this group I do not get a page file, and >> >> > eventually run out of VM. This problem precedes my downloading of >> >> > SP2 >> >> > and >> >> > fixing of other problems which includes the removal of the GAOBOT >> >> > worm >> >> > with >> >> > the help of the Norton antivirus. The problem started with an update >> >> > download >> >> > and the subsequent help of a MS tech representative, long ago. I >> >> > have >> >> > tried >> >> > all of the solutions offered in this group, to no avail. I do not >> >> > find >> >> > a >> >> > pagefile.sys file no matter how I look for it. The only files that I >> >> > have >> >> > are >> >> > pagefile.vb in C:\I386 and pagefile.vbs in several c-disk folders. >> >> > The >> >> > only >> >> > place I see a reference to pagefile.sys, with whatever values I >> >> > define, >> >> > is >> >> > in >> >> > the register keys, local management, as a type REG_MULTI_SZ with >> >> > data, >> >> > for >> >> > instance C:\pagefile.sys 500 4000. There are several users set in my >> >> > computer, but mostly I am the only one using it. When I start it and >> >> > the >> >> > screen shows the users, if I click on a user right away, there is no >> >> > further >> >> > response until I click CTL-ALT del. If I wait longer, until I see >> >> > that >> >> > my >> >> > hard disk stopped working, when I click on a user, it logs in fast >> >> > but >> >> > the >> >> > box comes up saying that there is no page file, etc. I'll appreciate >> >> > any >> >> > advice different from what has already been written, as well as to >> >> > have >> >> > it >> >> > phrased in sort of step-by-step instructions. I am no expert. >> >> > Thanks a lot. >> >> > -- >> >> > Dora
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