Re: Many virus's and malware
From: Leythos (void_at_nowhere.lan)
Date: 12/19/04
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:47:25 GMT
In article <uXyczIf5EHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
bruce_a_chambers@h0tmail.com says...
> Leythos wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I can agree with you that wiping and reinstalling does not solve the
> > initial problem - the lack of user competence, but an incompetent user
> > will not be able to clean their machine properly either.
> >
> > You have to see two different things in this:
> >
> > 1) Users are generally ignorant of anything dealing with hacks or
> > viruses. This is an educational problem, not a problem with cleaning the
> > system and has nothing to do with cleaning the system.
>
> So why not educate the user?
How is an educated user going to use their infected/compromised computer
to learn about security unless they have a clean computer to start with?
> > 2) The users from #1 above are generally not capable of cleaning their
> > systems on their own. None of the available automated tools clean a
> > system that you could certify it as being clean. Since "users" don't
> > know how to start in safe mode, don't know how to edit the registry,
> > don't know which files are safe to delete, it means that they are almost
> > certain to not properly clean a system that's been compromised.
>
> Again, why not educate, rather than amputate?
Ah, I agree that education is the best solution, but, sometimes, when
the infection is beyond the ability of the user to treat it, amputation
IS the best answer - at last before it spreads to everything.
Educating a user needs to take place, and I've always advocated that,
which is why my posts don't say JUST WIPE/RESTORE, I almost always
include instructions on how to reinstall and not get compromised while
rebuilding/updating.
> > So, since the ignorant user got infected in the first place, we can
> > assume they also fall into the #2 group, which means that with a
> > wipe/reinstall and instructions on how to block infections during the
> > updates, that they can have a reasonable chance of ending up with a
> > clean machine.
> >
>
> Until they next connect to the Internet, starting the vicious circle
> all over again.....
But, if we rely on them to clean their systems, knowing as little as
they do, there may never be a circle, it may just be a flat line -
always infected. While a competent security tech might be able to fully
clean a system, the vast majority of the people posting about
compromised systems in these groups are not capable, at their current
level, of completely cleaning a system. Education starts with installing
a clean system and the instructions on how to setup a clean computer
from scratch.
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