Re: Loaded SP2 now I'm in a boot loop...Things to try.
From: Ron Sommer (rsommer_at_nospam.ktis.net)
Date: 10/22/04
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:23:31 -0500
I can't get 191232 mb + 191232 mb to equal 250 GB.
250 GB - 7% = 231 GB
Half of 231 GB = 115 GB = 115000 mb
What other devices do you have?
Zip?
DVD?
-- Ron Sommer "Wild Flower" <WildFlower@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:29C485D1-16B8-4B46-97AA-46448C66BB87@microsoft.com... > Okay.. here is what I am thinking.. my theory… > > When I first installed XP Pro.. I set up my 250 gb drive to be partitioned > by the set up (booted up by the Win XP sp2 disk – in my CD ROM) > C: 191232 mb > G: 191232 mb – note: it named the path with a G.. instead of D > Un partitioned 8 mb > > I had the G partition highlighted when I hit enter.. I didn’t read too > well.. and missed that it would load XP on the highlighted partition. It > formatted the C partition then it formatted the G partition. > > It installed great.. then read above at my first post in this thread.. > things went to crap.. and continuously rebooted.. I thought.. well I > wanted > XP to be on my C drive.. so I will reinstall XP and re partition again.. > and > that should wipe it out… > > Well .. this is what I did > Again .. split the drive like before.. > C: 191232 mb > D: 191232 mb – this time it named it D – PERFECT > > I made sure I had the C partition highlighted when I hit enter.. It only > formatted the C partition.. and not the D partition (this is where I think > a > problem is) . it installed and things I thought were fine.. until it didn’t > find my sound card.. had problems loading the install disk for the > Creative > Audigy 2zs sound card.. had windows install the driver off of the creative > disk.. then reboot loop kicked in shortly after that… It’s an approved > driver.. so I am confused - whatever.. > > After a few more attempts to reinstall like the second one.. it just > crapped > out.. and get the dead black screen .. and never boots.. > > Here is my theory.. > Duh, Windows only cares about windows getting on my drive.. so why bother > formatting the rest of the partitions that I set up.. so it never > reformatted > the 2 partition the second time. Since I had the black screen of dead > space.. > I couldn’t go into windows and use my hard drive cd-disk that came with it > to > reformat the D drive. .. AND I thought I “If I could just get into DOS.. > then > I can format myself” I researched and learned about the whole FAT32 vs > NTFS > thing.. “Oh” > > This is what I am doing now.. I set up the partitions like this > C: 191232 mb > D: 50000mb – it rounded it to the true mb value – I didn’t write that > done.. > darn it > E: 20000 mb - again rounded > F: with whatever was left > > I had the E partition highlighted.. so It will Format the C partition, the > D > partition and then the F partition.. to be able to install XP. I am hoping > that will wipe out the drive and erase the other installed XPs.. > > So it is formatting right now.. as I type this. on My good ‘ol Windows 98 > computer but, I need to upgrade.. I think.. LOL LOL I am not too impressed > with XP > > Anyway.. now the set up formatted the first drives and is asking my how to > partition the next drive and has given me another options.. NTFS OR FAT It > only gave me the NTFS option before. > > I guess the good news is, that I bought 2 250 gb drives.. I put one in as > a > removeable drive.. with the case.. then I could back up my data onto > another > hard drive.. I haven’t touched that drive… so it’s like new.. If I can’t > get > this one working.. then I will swap the drives.. install XP as fresh and > new.. then later.. after XP is working and everything is installed and > fine.. > then I can wipe the extra drive.. BUT my fear is that installing the first > time wasn’t the problem… the continuously rebooting trigger was the > problem.. > and I haven’t really been able to isolate and prove what is causing that > .. I > don’t have a scanner hooked up.. so I don’t know if UMAX is really being > used.. if so, I didn’t install it and the only disk that has the drivers > on > it, that has entered my CD-ROM is the Windows XP Disk.. I can’t even > figure > out what hard ware device is using it.. SO I will be in the same boat as > before… > > I would love any advice .. > > 1) on my theory of the formatting & wiping the data that was previously > installed > 2) Once I get a clean XP installed… how can I prevent the rebooting > continuously to stop.. > > Thanks so much!! > Darci > > > "Wild Flower" wrote: > >> Thanks Ron, >> >> No. I am going to make sure it is wiped and start over… >> >> Thanks, >> Darci… >> >> Unfortunately I think I will run into the same problem. >> >> >> "Ron Sommer" wrote: >> >> > Are you deleting before reformatting? >> > -- >> > Ron Sommer >> > >> > "Wild Flower" <Wild Flower@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:7D63D9C7-3400-4F25-BFF4-2FF60431E504@microsoft.com... >> > > Chad, Thank you for your posts… >> > > >> > > Please comment. >> > > >> > > I just put together my first computer with all top brand hardware >> > > pieces… >> > > nothing OEM .. except the Windows XP with SP2 disk… >> > > >> > > I installed everything okay.. installed all the drivers that came >> > > with the >> > > hardware… only one that said it wasn’t MS approved.. was the View >> > > sonic >> > > LCD >> > > monitor… Also, I don’t have any printers or scanners hooked up to the >> > > computer… just trying to get it running clean… (Note: I don’t own an >> > > Astra >> > > scanner) >> > > >> > > I have creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2zs … but my sound wasn’t >> > > working… >> > > so, >> > > I went into device manager and selected the sound card.. updated the >> > > driver >> > > with the disk in the drive.. and it worked, I had sound…. But >> > > somewhere >> > > after >> > > that it started that reboot continuously thing… long story short.. I >> > > have >> > > wiped the drive and started over 5 times… and found that article on >> > > the >> > > UMAX >> > > driver… and searched for it on my system and found the .dll >> > > >> > > I have been racking my brain to figure where I got it.. I scanned all >> > > the >> > > disks… except for the Windows XP sp2 disk, and no luck… where I am >> > > getting >> > > it… then I checked on the WinXP disk… sure enough it’s on there!! >> > > Why?? If >> > > they don’t support the driver why is it in their driver.cab????? >> > > >> > > It has been consistent in failing after I have windows install that >> > > one >> > > driver… I don’t require Windows to install any other drivers.. just >> > > that >> > > sound card one. >> > > >> > > ALSO … I thought this was weird.. the umax.ini file was created at >> > > 2:55am.. >> > > I went to bed at 2:30am.. (trying to work on this) and I had left it >> > > reformatting the drive and installing XP. When I woke… I had the blue >> > > screen >> > > error message… waiting for me to read it.. I ended up reformatting >> > > again….. >> > > at about 9:30am … so that umax.ini file should have been wiped… I >> > > don’t >> > > get >> > > it. .. I did let Windows do the formatting.. and not fdisk… which I >> > > thought >> > > would be the same. >> > > >> > > I am reformatting again… and thinking .. maybe don’t install all the >> > > drivers… OR … maybe let windows do all of them.. OR … update windows >> > > as >> > > soon >> > > as possible. >> > > >> > > The service pack in embedded on the disk.. so I can’t tell when it is >> > > installed.. >> > > >> > > I really want my system to run at the best optimum capability it has. >> > > I >> > > would think installing the drivers and utilities would do that. >> > > ARGHHH!! >> > > >> > > >> > > "Chad Harris" wrote: >> > > >> > >> Guy with late homework-- >> > >> >> > >> See if a UMAX driver could be the problem via this KB: >> > >> >> > >> After you install Windows XP Service Pack 2, your computer restarts >> > >> continuously >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;873161&Product=winxp >> > >> >> > >> Over-heating, and a bad stick of RAM have been known to cause >> > >> this--so if >> > >> software remedies don't do it, look to hardware, memory sticks in >> > >> place, >> > >> cables, ect. >> > >> >> > >> *Often, booting to the Recovery Console and running chkdsk /r will >> > >> help >> > >> this >> > >> problem.* I don't know if you have an XP CD, because lately so many >> > >> people >> > >> with boot problems have not had one supplied by their OEM, but if >> > >> you do >> > >> this would be my first choice to try to ditch the endless loop this >> > >> way. >> > >> >> > >> Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314058 >> > >> >> > >> Scroll down for instructions on running chkdsk /r. >> > >> >> > >> Using the Recovery Console >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmc_str_bjid.asp >> > >> >> > >> RC Overview >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/recovery_console_overview.mspx >> > >> >> > >> Recovery Console in XP >> > >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_rec.htm >> > >> >> > >> I didn't know if you could break the loop to F8 as Will says. In >> > >> my >> > >> experience, Last Known Good Configuration almost never works >> > >> statistically, >> > >> but if it does and this is gone, more power to you. Keep in mind >> > >> that >> > >> it's >> > >> a snapshot of your configuration immediately after you booted, so if >> > >> you >> > >> have been booted up for a long time then you're not going to track >> > >> settings >> > >> changes since that time. >> > >> >> > >> I'd first try to F8 to the Windows Advanced Options menu and use >> > >> Safe >> > >> Mode >> > >> and then try System Restore from Safe Mode. You will probably be >> > >> back at >> > >> the version before you installed SP2. There is also this option for >> > >> aborted >> > >> SP2 installs or SP2 installs with the problem like the one you're >> > >> having, >> > >> but again System Restore may not solve your endless loop problem and >> > >> Last >> > >> Known Good may not. You may need to run a chkdsk /r or use some of >> > >> the >> > >> other tools I describe. >> > >> >> > >> Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP (Info >> > >> on F8 >> > >> and >> > >> Advanced Options Menu) >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=308041 >> > >> >> > >> How to use the Automatic Recovery feature to recover your computer >> > >> if the >> > >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Setup program is not completed >> > >> successfully >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875355&product=windowsxpsp2 >> > >> >> > >> A description of the Safe Mode Boot options in Windows XP >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=315222 >> > >> >> > >> If you were unable to use the Recovery Console because you had no XP >> > >> CD, >> > >> and >> > >> haven't installed it already but could get back to Windows: >> > >> >> > >> If you can tap F8 to get back to Windows via either Safe Mode or >> > >> as a >> > >> last >> > >> resort in my opinion, Last Known Good Configuration, then you're >> > >> still >> > >> faced >> > >> with the possible "endless loop problem." That's why my first >> > >> suggestion >> > >> was to boot to the Recovery Console and run chkdsk /r from the >> > >> recovery >> > >> console. >> > >> >> > >> You would be possibly faced with the endless loop proble again or >> > >> when >> > >> you >> > >> installed SP2 so I would run chkdsk /r from the command prompt or >> > >> the run >> > >> box. >> > >> >> > >> The reason for the endless loop is often that something has set the >> > >> volume's >> > >> "dirty bit." When a volume's dirty bit is set, autochk automatically >> > >> checks >> > >> the volume for errors the next time the computer is restarted.If a >> > >> volume's >> > >> dirty bit is set, this indicates that the file system may be in an >> > >> inconsistent state. The dirty bit can be set because the volume is >> > >> online >> > >> and has outstanding changes, because changes were made to the volume >> > >> and >> > >> the >> > >> computer shutdown before the changes were committed to disk, or >> > >> because >> > >> corruption was detected on the volume. If the dirty bit is set when >> > >> the >> > >> computer restarts, chkdsk runs to verify the consistency of the >> > >> volume. >> > >> >> > >> See if you have any disk corrpution by typing "fsutil dirty query >> > >> [C]: >> > >> Sub >> > >> any drive you want for "C". If it says the volume isn't dirty, you >> > >> don't >> > >> need to run chkdsk because there aren't any errors on the disk. But >> > >> I >> > >> know >> > >> you want to run it to see that it runs properly without this >> > >> read-only >> > >> error. The KB I'm going to list advises you to run "chkdsk >> > >> volume_label: >> > >> /v >> > >> /f" to fix this. This will fix any errors on the disk and the "v" >> > >> causes >> > >> it >> > >> to name each fixed file. Hopefully that will resolve it. >> > >> But if it doesn't then run "chkdsk_volume label: /r", and if that >> > >> doesn't >> > >> then run the chkdsk /r from the recovery console. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> If the disk is dirty, then System Restore is not going to fix that. >> > >> >> > >> Every time Windows XP starts, Autochk.exe is called by the Kernel to >> > >> scan >> > >> all volumes to check if the volume dirty bit is set. If the dirty >> > >> bit is >> > >> set, autochk performs an immediate chkdsk /f on that volume. Chkdsk >> > >> /f >> > >> verifies file system integrity and attempts to fix any problems with >> > >> the >> > >> volume. >> > >> >> > >> Here's what to do: >> > >> >> > >> Go to Start/Run/CMD and type in: fsutil dirty query c: (or whatever >> > >> drive >> > >> his XP is on). You'll get back either the drive "is dirty" or "it's >> > >> not >> > >> dirty." >> > >> >> > >> Info on a "Fsutil Query" in the KB below--also see the Explanation >> > >> at >> > >> Windows Help and Support--type "helpctr" into your run box: >> > >> >> > >> The Fsutil Query Tool: >> > >> http://techrepublic.com.com/5138-6240-728908.html >> > >> >> > >> An Fsutil Query Does Not Work Properly on FAT or FAT32 Volumes >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp >> > >> >> > >> You have 4 choices that may work: >> > >> >> > >> 1) You can run chkdsk /r from the Recovery Console. I think this is >> > >> the >> > >> fastest and most effective. I've seen it work for this several >> > >> times. >> > >> >> > >> 2) You can run the chkntfs /d and reboot and chkdsk won't run on the >> > >> next >> > >> boot. What this does is to restore default settings. Note this is a >> > >> different command than chkdsk. Chkntfs is a command that displays or >> > >> specifies whether automatic checking is schduled to run on a FAT, >> > >> FAT32, >> > >> or >> > >> NTFS volume when the computer is started. >> > >> >> > >> 3) You should be able to fix this by using "chkntfs/X C" if C were >> > >> the >> > >> problem drive or whatever letter--this works when the drive is dirty >> > >> and >> > >> I >> > >> showed you above how to verify this. The advantage of sticking the X >> > >> in >> > >> the >> > >> command is that it saves time by causing the command to skip >> > >> checking >> > >> cycles >> > >> within the folder. >> > >> >> > >> 4) You can go to Kelly's XP Tweaks and click line 76 left column >> > >> and see >> > >> if >> > >> this VB script will stop it. >> > >> >> > >> Kelly's Tweaks >> > >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm >> > >> >> > >> Troubleshooting Windows XP >> > >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com >> > >> >> > >> In addition, When there is improper shutdown, the Autochk program >> > >> runs >> > >> on >> > >> all NTFS drives in XP, 2K, NT where a disk write was in process at >> > >> the >> > >> time >> > >> of shutdown. This gets exacerbated if you have write caching enabled >> > >> on a >> > >> hard drive connected to a standard IDE controller. It improves >> > >> performance, >> > >> by delaying data writing while other work is done, but it ups the >> > >> risk of >> > >> lost data or corruption. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_cgwi.asp >> > >> >> > >> Open the run box with the Windows Key + "r" and type in >> > >> diskmgmt.msc. >> > >> From >> > >> the graphical display in the bottom of the Disk Management window, >> > >> right-click the disc icon and chooose Properties. On the policies >> > >> tab, >> > >> clear >> > >> Enable Write Caching on the Disk. (Note this option, ie. the >> > >> policies >> > >> tab, >> > >> may not be available if your disk is connected to a High Performance >> > >> ATA-66 >> > >> or ATA-100 IDE controller.) >> > >> >> > >> After you find the cause of the underlying problem if there is >> > >> improper >> > >> shutdown, re-enable write caching. >> > >> >> > >> Additional references for definitions context: >> > >> >> > >> Chkdsk.exe or Autochk.exe starts when you try to shut down or >> > >> restart >> > >> your >> > >> computer >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;831426&Product=winxp >> > >> >> > >> An Fsutil Query Does Not Work Properly on FAT or FAT32 Volumes >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322275&Product=winxp >> > >> >> > >> hth, >> > >> >> > >> Chad Harris >> > >> ______________________ >> > >> >> > >> "Guy with late home work" <Guy with late home >> > >> work@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > >> news:4E8FB6DE-03B8-45DE-B9D5-4E80AE7A723E@microsoft.com... >> > >> While rebooting from loading SP2 I get the error message, "Autochk >> > >> not >> > >> found-skipping autocheck program", then it reboots and goes through >> > >> the >> > >> same >> > >> routine indefinitely! HELP >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >
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