Re: Flaws in XP SP2
From: Jupiter Jones [MVP] (jones_jupiter_at_hotnomail.com)
Date: 09/28/04
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:25:21 -0600
Don;
Go look closely at those items and you will see many have solutions so
there is no point of solving them.
The solutions are also counted in the vast numbers.
Unless you analyze and categorize them all, the numbers are
meaningless for reasons I already mentioned in another post.
Now if someone goes through the 850,000 items analyzing them as well
as separating the irrelevant, then the data becomes more usable.
A further breakdown with hardware and software involved makes it even
more usable.
As for the evidence, it is largely in the 850,000.
That would take more resources than most here can provide.
The popular number of 10% from the few already completed surveys is
used.
You can then remove the numbers of damaged Windows, whether by
spyware, viruses or other software issues and the % has to drop
further.
Then add those with incompatible hardware such as Prescott processors
and it drops further.
The exactly numbers here are unknown AFAIK, but the result of
subtracting these has to further drop the %.
Another group simply needs a setting change necessitated by SP-2,
often because of the Windows Firewall.
Removing these again drops the % further.
What is the actual % after those removed because of damaged Windows or
lack of maintenance?
Whatever it is it is less than the beginning number.
When I look at the Google list, the first items are not problems at
all, they are information about possible issues or information about
10% of computers may be impacted, that does not necessarily mean
nonfunctional.
There is no single cause of SP-2 issues as you should know.
SP-2 is not even involved in all of the Google items so SP-2 is not
even a common denominator.
You would also probably find some that have nothing to do with
computers.
The causes for the actual problems are almost as many as there are
problems with nearly as many solutions.
All problems, known and unknown, should be resolved before attempting
to install anything especially a Service pack.
If not it is nearly impossible to locate other possible causes.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Don Taylor" <dont@agora.rdrop.com> wrote in message news:wbednUclQ9mwU8XcRVn-iA@scnresearch.com... > Ok, why? You have one camp claiming there are lots of problems. > You have the other camp claiming everything they say is meaningless, > demand that they provide proof for this, and to do this they should > go diagnose the real cause of each of the 850,000 postings and when > they get done to come back and tell these folks who are supposed > to be the ones providing help what the real causes of each were. > > You have the opposite camp claiming there are very few problems, > have thus far presented zero evidence for the claims that almost > everything is the result of spyware and viruses and stupid users, > and when asked to back up their claims... you tell me that you don't > have to. > > Let's see the supposedly informed folks here go diagnose 85,000 of > those postings and determine the real cause. That' 10% of the > postings and almost certainly hundreds or thousands of times more > than have actually ever had the real cause determined. > > So why is it the folks who claim the failure rate is near zero are > exempt from backing up their claims while those who disagree must > provide such proof? Let's make this bluntly fair here. > > And I'd guess, but have no evidence to prove, that the majority, > likely even the vast majority, of users never get to posting or > reading microsoft.public.* that the number of postings here > represent > the tiny tip of the iceburg, both for people who don't and people > who do have problems with SP2. What the real world ratio is, nobody > here has shown any credible evidence that I've seen.
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