Re: I think I wil wait on sp2
From: Testy (fraudbuster_at_canoemail.com)
Date: 09/13/04
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400
Just ignore Jupiter his years of military service have left him a mindless
parrot.
Testy
"Jack" <Jack@abc.net> wrote in message
news:eFNlcrdmEHA.2616@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Woooooosh . . .
> You are hexx bent on having us believe that a system, including all
> hardware
> and software, that works just fine under our existing XP setup should be
> compatible with the new sp. I say the new sp SHOULD be compatible with
> any
> system that is working just fine without it. If an item, hardware and/or
> software, works under the non-sp2 XP setup the sp install has NO business
> rendering it unusable. By your thinking MS can just pick who their
> favorite
> 'partners' are and delegate the rest obsolete by simply releasing a sp.
> EOC
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23YgsyZdmEHA.3372@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Jack;
>> 1. Windows is a Microsoft product.
>> However the hardware and much of the software usually is not Microsoft
>> and thus beyond Microsoft's control.
>> Who's problem? That depends, some current software and hardware is
>> poorly written taking advantage of some of the weaknesses in windows.
>> Microsoft has fixed some of those and now poorly written code can not
>> handle the more secure Windows.
>> Clearly a 3rd party problem.
>> They and not Microsoft need to take care of it.
>> Some choose not to sometimes because the product is to old for them to
>> expend resources.
>> Microsoft has a amount of information on this subject alone and you
>> have seen much of it, do you apply it?
>>
>> 2. "Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the
>> service pack"
>> I would have thought the answer is obvious.
>> If something is not compatible it may not work.
>>
>> As for your scenario, you left out at least as much important
>> information as you put in.
>> What is the source of the problem?
>> Are there updates available?
>> Were drivers reinstalled?
>> Does everyone, some or very few experience the problem?
>> The fact the problem showed itself upon installation of SP-2 may tell
>> a little but is not necessarily relevant.
>> That is why if there are problems YOU need to do the appropriate
>> research co check compatibility of YOUR system.
>> After all it is YOUR computer.
>>
>> "If my OS (XP) is perfectly happy with my hardware/software
>> configuartion, is functioning justfine and then the SP renders part or
>> all of the system unusable guesswho/what is going to be left standing
>> when the music stops . . . - YEP the SP!"
>> Are you sure? I thought it was your computer!
>> Now you have a choice, leave it to the SP, or research to determine
>> the cause and regain the full use of your computer.
>> It may be the Service Pack or it may be something else.
>> Since it is YOUR computer, YOU need to make the determination and
>> follow the course of action YOU CHOOSE.
>>
>> I am not as much "pro SP" as much as I am pro secure computing and
>> Jack should know that by now.
>> As long as you keep that line of thinking instead you may never
>> understand.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "Jack" <Jack@abc.net> wrote in message
>> news:exso2IdmEHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > Allow me a quote from you, and from the message you reply to:
>> >
>> > <Quote> Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.</Quote>
>> > <Quote> While waiting you also need to research your specific
>> > hardware and
>> > software for SP-2 compatibility issues: Quote>
>> >
>> > 1 - If we are installing a Microsoft patch (SP) to a Microsoft
>> > product
>> > (XP -IE) just who's problem is it?
>> >
>> > 2 - Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the
>> > service
>> > pack. If they are compatible with our current version of XP then
>> > the SP
>> > damx well should be compatible with our system!
>> >
>> > Scenario/metaphor: (The item could be ANY device and/or software -
>> > I'll use
>> > a printer)
>> > I have a 6 month old, near top of the line, computer. I install a
>> > new, well
>> > known mfg.'s, printer. I go to the windows update and it tells me
>> > there are
>> > no newer drivers for it. NOW, 6 months later, I install SP2 and,
>> > say, my
>> > printer malfunctions upon installing SP2. What you, and some
>> > others, are
>> > trying to have us believe is that the problem is with our computer
>> > and or
>> > printer. I, strongly, suggest the problem is with the SP! If my OS
>> > (XP) is
>> > perfectly happy with my hardware/software configuartion, is
>> > functioning just
>> > fine and then the SP renders part or all of the system unusable
>> > guess
>> > who/what is going to be left standing when the music stops . .
>> > . - YEP
>> > the SP!
>> >
>> > The arguments I hear being made on the pro SP side of this issue are
>> > STRONG
>> > evidence that we need a standalone, unbundled, unintigrated
>> > operating
>> > system!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:e3%23VPxcmEHA.1904@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> Patches will most likely come out, at least one has been out for
>> >> several weeks.
>> >> But is people want to install SP-2 later after having problems nom,
>> >> they MUST research since most issues already have a resolution
>> >> either
>> >> through a simple reconfiguration or an update from manufacturer.
>> >> Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Wislu Plethora" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message news:162201c499c7$66d89c70$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> >
>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>It is OK to wait, but to wait until "they fix it first"
>> >> > would be a
>> >> >>waste of time.
>> >> >>The SP-2 of today will be the same as SP-2 of next year.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>While waiting you also need to research your specific
>> >> > hardware and
>> >> >>software for SP-2 compatibility issues:
>> >> >>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>When ready, follow the Service Pack Installation
>> >> > Checklist.
>> >> >>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>--
>> >> >>Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> >> >>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Which is not to say that there won't be patches
>> >> > forthcoming, which patches could fix problems that might
>> >> > be keeping people from installing to begin with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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