Re: Being Polite
From: Jeff (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 08/31/04
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:52:33 -0700
Hi Ellen,
That might be the culprit. Those spyware writers are
getting better at adding the programs to about anything on
any web sites lately. But also beware, both are good
programs, you still might want to try a third one as well
to see if it missed anything the other two didn`t catch.
With Spybot, you will probly find DSO Exploit, after the
first time its removed, it still comes back, I hear its a
bug with spybot. Even though I had to pay for it,
PestPatrol is pretty good. I like the GuardBar, I use
that instead of the pop-up stopper that comes with XP2. I
hope your system gets better. If you have Nortons
systemworks or just nortons Win Doctor, give that a try as
well.
Jeff
>-----Original Message-----
>I have SpyBot and Adaware, but quit using both a couple
>months ago. I'll run them again & see if it helps.
>
>Thanks
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hi Ellen,
>>
>>Did you also check to make sure your system was free of
>>spyware. That also been a major cause of SP2 failures.
>>For my systems, I run 4 on my work computer and 5 on my
>>home computer, what one misses, the others get. Might
>>want to check that out. Also another problem, could be
>a
>>bad download of SP2, that has also caused problems for
>>installers. But a shaky system, it might be one of
>those
>>problems, would need verification from others though.
>>
>>Some people posted some nice links for good spyware
>>detectors, spybot search & destry, adaware, spyguard,
>>spyblaster, and guardbar > all freeware. Then there is
>>PestPatrol which is nice. I notice recently Nortons
>Anti-
>>virus is starting to detect adaware in it scans.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Yes, after waiting a couple days for the bugger to
>>>download (I have a dialup connection because I'm frugal
>>>out of necessity), I did install it. But I had no
>warning
>>>that it would so adversely affect my system.
>>>
>>>Ironically, I praised XP to nonbelievers for a couple
>>>years. At first I was disappointed that I had to dump
>>>most of my software & my scanner when I bought a new
>>>computer in 2002 (my old computer was purchased in
>early
>>>2000). But, I understood quickly just how stable XP was
>>>in comparison to 98. I cannot afford to buy another new
>>>computer just so SP2 can work.
>>>
>>>Microsoft needs to come clean about the problems
>>>associated with SP2, to prevent others from going
>through
>>>this.
>>>
>>>I downloaded the latest ATI Radeon driver, keep my
>virus
>>>definitions up-to-date and visit Windows Update
>>>regularly. Still, SP2 dang near killed my display
>>>workings, drivers, guts or whatever they are called. It
>>>was a FLASH website that pushed it over the edge, but
>>>even my HTML Editor was sluggish as could be before
>that
>>>happened. Now I have shaking desktop icons and very
>>>glitchy graphics when I scroll an ordinary webpage.
>>>
>>>A warning would have been considerate.
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>SP2 downloaded automatically, but you have to install
>it
>>>>yourself. As for your friend, if she had display
>>>>problems, all she probably needed to do was update her
>>>>display drivers.
>>>>
>>>>You should be able to do a uninstall from the
>add/remove
>>>>programs. That should bring you back to SP1. If you
>>>>could be more specific in the problems, I or many
>>>others,
>>>>especially the MVP`s will help you.
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>I didn't even want SP2 at this time, but couldn't
>>>figure
>>>>>out a way to stop the automatic download once it
>>>started.
>>>>>I tried shutting down my computer illegally, but when
>I
>>>>>rebooted there it was again.
>>>>>
>>>>>I need my computer for work (at home) and have
>>>>>encountered serious problems with applications and
>>>>>drivers after installing SP2. This is very
>frustrating
>>>&
>>>>>I don't have the time nor knowledge to troubleshoot.
>>>So,
>>>>>I will get further & further behind in my work. I am
>a
>>>>>single mom with 5 kids & rely on my income building
>>>>>websites.
>>>>>
>>>>>What I'm saying, I guess, is expect more of the same.
>>>No,
>>>>>actually, I think you should prepare for the worst as
>>>>>more & more install SP2.
>>>>>
>>>>>I got advice this morning from someone with an
>>>identical
>>>>>problem with her display: her solution was to
>uninstall
>>>>>SP2. She said she hasn't had a problem since. What
>>>other
>>>>>option is there?
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>Jeff:
>>>>>>I agree with you.
>>>>>>I've noticed a lot of people just being down right
>>>rude
>>>>>to others in here.
>>>>>>Not everyone is PC smart and some people just need
>to
>>>>>ask questions and
>>>>>>learn from others. I know a lot about pcs; etc. but
>>>>>there's still a lot I
>>>>>>have yet to learn.
>>>>>>As far as people not bothering to read or take
>advise
>>>I
>>>>>understand you
>>>>>>completely!!!
>>>>>>I deal with people who I send them advise, tips,
>do's
>>>>>and dont's and they
>>>>>>just don't read and then later ask me questions on
>>>what
>>>>>I already had sent
>>>>>>to them in email. Perfect example: This sp2 thing I
>>>told
>>>>>many of my friends
>>>>>>and family with XP that if they do the sp2 to make
>>>sure
>>>>>if they want to see
>>>>>>attachments and pictures to go into the security
>>>>>settings in Outlook
>>>>>>Express. I stated this in numerous emails to people
>a
>>>>>long with other
>>>>>>helpful tips. I even did a screen shot of how and
>>>where
>>>>>to change those
>>>>>>settings. Wouldn't you know I had someone write to
>me
>>>a
>>>>>few days later and
>>>>>>say "I can't see pictures in Outlook Express --do
>you
>>>>>know why?" Ughh I
>>>>>>could scream. I even had two people tell me "I
>didn't
>>>>>read what you sent
>>>>>>because it was too long to read and I didn't have
>the
>>>>>time." But they will
>>>>>>ask me a question on that very article that I sent
>to
>>>>>them. Sometimes I
>>>>>>could pull my hair out. LOL!
>>>>>>As far as sp2 and giving it a try --I do agree with
>>>you
>>>>>to a point. But many
>>>>>>people are have legitimate problems with it and in
>>>some
>>>>>cases I do not think
>>>>>>that these people did something wrong and that's why
>>>>>they are having
>>>>>>problems. I however did not have any problems with
>>>sp2.
>>>>>But I'm a pc freak
>>>>>>and keep my pc pretty cleaned up, etc. And that's
>not
>>>>>saying that those who
>>>>>>are having problems with sp2 don't keep their pcs
>>>>>cleaned up. I don't know
>>>>>>what the problem is for some people, the only thing
>I
>>>>>can figure out is
>>>>>>there are glitches --incompatabilites with sp2 and
>>>>>something on their
>>>>>>pc--something that maybe Microsoft has not even came
>>>>>across or figured out
>>>>>>yet.
>>>>>>I've been trying to fix my friend's pc for days who
>>>>>cannot get sp2 nor can
>>>>>>she get any critical updates. Well she can get
>>>critical
>>>>>updates but cannot
>>>>>>install them. I even sent her some in email and she
>>>>>can't install them. She
>>>>>>has an open case with Microsoft right now but they
>are
>>>>>baffled to her
>>>>>>problem too. She either gets "access denied"
>>>>>or "unsucessful" or "failed"
>>>>>>errors at the end of the installations.
>>>>>>The only problem I have found with sp2 on my
>computer
>>>is
>>>>>with the
>>>>>>thumbnails..when I go to insert a picture or open a
>>>>>picture (no matter what
>>>>>>program I'm using) and I choose "thumbnail view" so
>I
>>>>>can see the picture I
>>>>>>want; it shuts down whatever program I am in and I
>>>have
>>>>>to start all over
>>>>>>again. So I learned, I now do not choose thumbnail
>>>view.
>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>>But getting back to the rudeness..you are so right.
>>>And
>>>>>I'm in no way saying
>>>>>>"everyone in here" I'm just saying some people are
>>>rude
>>>>>and are being smart
>>>>>>butts. It's not needed. If we all try to be helpful
>to
>>>>>each other we all may
>>>>>>learn a bit more.
>>>>>>Thanks for the nice post by the way.
>>>>>>Serenity`
>>>>>>"Jeff" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>in
>>>>>message
>>>>>>news:313701c48f01$6e6aaa80$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is addressed to everyone to reports a problem,
>>>>>>> complaints, responds and just smart ass reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I keep reading the News Groups, I have notice
>>>more
>>>>>and
>>>>>>> more people are starting to use smart ass replies
>to
>>>>>users
>>>>>>> or condensending answers. Unfortunately a lot of
>>>>>people
>>>>>>> are not very aware of things about computers. Not
>>>all
>>>>>>> people realise what a firewall is or can do. Not
>all
>>>>>>> people do updates, because some fear of doing
>>>something
>>>>>>> wrong or worry about something breaking with that
>>>>>update.
>>>>>>> A lot of the response to a lot of the novice users
>>>are
>>>>>>> very degrading, can`t we be more polite in
>>>responding
>>>>>to
>>>>>>> people. Be more supportive and informative to the
>>>>>needs
>>>>>>> of others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And for those that have been having problems with
>>>SP2,
>>>>>>> have you really given it a chance? Have you
>>>prepared
>>>>>your
>>>>>>> computer properly before doing the upgrade? A lot
>of
>>>>>>> problems tend to come from virus`s, spyware, and
>>>>>outdated
>>>>>>> drivers. I read where someone just installed it
>and
>>>>>then
>>>>>>> complains without even trying to troubleshoot.
>For
>>>the
>>>>>>> people who read the pre-install guides for SP2
>they
>>>>>have
>>>>>>> had no problem or just minor ones, but mostly from
>a
>>>>>>> driver issue. There are plenty of site to direct
>>>you
>>>>>on
>>>>>>> how to prepare. Also for months people been
>posting
>>>>>here
>>>>>>> things you should do before installing SP2, but a
>>>lot
>>>>>of
>>>>>>> people don`t bother to read or take that advice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know for some people they are afraid of what
>they
>>>>>could
>>>>>>> accidently do to their computers, but if you don`t
>>>try
>>>>>you
>>>>>>> won`t learn. Then there are those that expect
>>>>>everything
>>>>>>> to run right the first time, sorry to say, that
>will
>>>>>never
>>>>>>> happen, nothing is perfect. So before you
>complain,
>>>>>make
>>>>>>> sure you prepared properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So please everyone, lets be polite and helpful,
>not
>>>>>bash
>>>>>>> those that are not as experienced as a bunch of us
>>>are.
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>.
>>>
>>.
>>
>.
>
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