Re: two copies of xp pro on same computer

From: Tom (noway_at_nothere.com)
Date: 08/25/04 

Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:38:21 -0700

>-----Original Message-----
>Tom,
>
>Alex is merely expressing an opinion I am telling you
what the position of
>the licensing team in Microsoft told me when I raised
this very question
>with them.

Alex gave more than an opinion, rather what he felt was
what one can do on the very same PC, especially regarding
his comment about beta testing, and it being impossible tp
use more than one bootup instance at any one time. This is
the issue!

>The EULA is correct, you may only install once to one
PC. This is true of
>multi boot scenarios as well as Virtual PC installs. The
two scenarios both
>require additional licenses.

No, I already purchased a license for my one PC. Why would
I want top purchase the exact same thing again, when I
cannor use itr as the same time as the first?

>
>If you are a heavy test user the you should look to
volume licensing or an
>MSDN subscription as a way of correcting your licensing
shortfall.

No, I only have one PC, with one disk, that is all I need.
MS benefits from my general testing, and I ask nothing in
return from them when I share my results. Keep in mind, I
am using my paid for license and hardware to do this.

>Beta testers are required to provide there own hardware
for testing as well
>as be properly licensed.

Really, so why do you offer betes to the public to test?
Youdon't ask for licenses to do this, yet I do perfrom
beta testing.

  You are after all invited to Beta test or you
>explicitly apply. You would not expect to be provided
with free licenses
>for a server operating system if you applied to test a
server product such
>as SQL or Exchange (?) anymore then you are supplied
with additional
>licenses for the OS if you feel the need to test on
multiple machines or
>multi instances on the same machines as multi boot or
Virtual PCs.

Would you really buy expensive software licenses simply
for testing? hell no!, and I won't ever begin doing so.
The EULA states that I can run, use, install one copy per
PC. I only have one copy of that license, and one PC, and
only one copy can be run at any one time, or do you not
understand that. I am not running two instances of the
same copy and looking at them or using them. If I install
it three times times on the same PC, I can ONLY USE one of
them, RUN one of them.

I suggest your licensing team, which is not any legal
authority, amend those words to allow such use on ONE PC,
especially when many times, it benefits the copyright
owner. I'll tell you something, I would venture it is safe
to assume (if they were honest) that the majority of the
MVPs here that test (or for whatever reason) have dual
boot setups, or two+ installs on two+ primary partitions
with their one disk and one PC. Whether they would admit
to it or not remains to be seen.

>
>--
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike
>--
>Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
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>"Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
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>"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com>
wrote in message
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>> "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:OECww5ViEHA.3996@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Abhishek wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>> is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro
on a same
>>> computer (on different partition).
>>>
>>> currently on my computer windows xp is installed to
partition C:, now
>>> i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D:
to test new
>>> softwares.
>>>
>>> is it possible?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Abhi
>>
>> Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC,
or on a "Computer
>> System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you
should have the right
>> to install as many instances of that same disk, on that
same PC as you
>> wish.
>> The activation will go through with no problems, since
the hardware is the
>> same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.
>>
>> Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS
also, i.e. SP2) on my
>> other partition, and if MS thinks that I should
purchase another copy of
>> Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use
that secondary
>> install as a testing partition (for most part) to their
benefit, they can
>> kiss my holiest of holies!!!!
>>
>> Tom the EULA is more specific.
>>
>> It states
>>
>> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following
rights
>> provided that you comply with all terms and
conditions of
>> this EULA:
>>
>> * Installation and use. You may install, use,
access,
>> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
>> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other
device
>> ("Workstation Computer").
>>
>> Your second install to the computer breaches this in
that you are allowed
>> to
>> "install" (hence the explicit use of this work in the
EULA) the product
>> once
>> to a computer.
>>
>> And yes if you are using retail or OEM media for your
testing machine you
>> are required to purchase a second license for your
additional install.
>
>Mot happening Mike, and you can take this to court too! I
will not pay for
>another copy to use on the same machine, especially when
I specifically use
>the other instance for testing, nothing else! I also use
this primarily for
>the benefit OF MS, and they are not paying me for helping
them, and I
>certainly will *NOT* pay them to help them. I bet most of
the MVPs here do
>the very same thing, even Alex Nichol states this is not
good; it would
>prevent most who want to help from beta testing for MS if
they had to take
>on that expense which would be beneficial for MS both for
technical
>improvements (which saves them money from having to pay
their own for these
>tests!!!!!) and profits.
>
>Look, it is one thing to state "One PC' "One Disk" and I
agree to that. But
>I will not, and truly feel that myself and other, should
not, be forced to
>have to purchase the same type of OS to use on the very
same PC. What
>purpose would that serve since *I can only use one bootup
at one time
>anyway*, and that right there is enough to say it is
unreasonable on your
>interpretation on the EULA.
>
>Even Alex Nichol, one of the few MVPs here that I trust
with his advice and
>opinions made such a stance, where he even challenged
trusting your post's
>position on this particular point:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5epcw
>
>Tom:
>>
>>I have been told by Mike Brannigan (at one time) that
installing two
>>instances the *same* copy of Windows on the *same* PC
is a violation of
>>the
>>EULA. I once had a the SAME OS installed (I have 320gigs
of HDD total on
>>two
>>drives) two times on the primary drive so my mate could
do her
>>adminstrative
>>uses on her install. He stated that I need to purchase
another license or
>>full version to use on the same PC, that two instances
are not allowed.
>
>Alex:
>
>""I don't entirely trust his posts as being the final
position. There is
>a clear distinction between installation on two machines
which could be
>in simultaneous use and two installations on the same one
where that is
>physically impossible. The wording of the EULA is
capable of more than
>one interpretation, and, as I have said to MS at a very
high level,
>that particular one seems perverse. In particular it
would mean that it
>became impossible to do Beta testing for them""
>
>
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