Re: SP2 for non-IT people

From: Phil (comingsoon_at_philcosoft.com)
Date: 08/18/04 

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:17:36 -0400

I can't blindly follow anything without investingting it or at least
analizing it. If ms says something, I ask, why. Since there is no real
reason why ms would say this as far as functionality of sp2 goes, I can only
logically assume it's a traffic thing.
MS reccomends things to "protect" your computer from yourself. Many ms
reccomendations are to "scare" the user into doing it the way they want you
to. Since they don't want a zillion home users overloading the network
install server they "scare" you into not doing it. It doesn't mean there
isn't another way, a better way, or another option. MS may make the os, but
many other sites and techs can tweak windows, or do things to it, or install
things on it better than ms can or is willing to. Yes, it's true most users
can and should wait until windows update has it, but they don't have to if
they don't want to wait. If they have dialup they essentially have no choice
but to wait cause the full download is just too big for dialup.
And yes it true this is not an official ms answer, but its the most logical
answer. Ever hear of achems razor? All things being equal the simplist
answer must be correct. This is the only answer that seems to make sense.
Yes, I can say without any doubt that the IT and developer release is 100%
the same as the sp2 windows update will install. The download is what is
different, not the install of sp2.

"jeff4379" <jeff4379@news.postalias> wrote in message
news:uvjCvoVhEHA.384@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
> Whether or not the download works or not is not the issue either.
> Unless I see something on the MS site that says it is ok for a common
> user to download this package, I will not suggest it.
>
> What you suggest about bandwidth makes sense, but that is not an
> official microsoft answer.
>
> Can you difinitively say that there is no difference between the
> current IT and Developer release and the AU/WU release?
> "Phil" <comingsoon@philcosoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%232w4FfVhEHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Like I just said, they only say that because they want home users to
>> use windows update or automatic updates. They don't want 10 million
>> home users downloading the 250+mb version from the network install
>> site. Bandwidth is an issue as it costs ms money to offer these
>> updates via the net. Everyone pays for bandwidth, even ms.
>> There is absolutely NO difference at all between the two versions
>> except one is the full version and one is the express version. MS
>> would rather have you download the smaller express version because
>> most won't need everything the full version updates as they may have
>> some sp2 updates installed already. Yes, ms says for home users not
>> to download that version, I don't dispute that. I'm just telling you
>> why they say that. Home users with broadband connections can do the
>> network version with no probs. I've already installed the network
>> version on 10+ home versions without one problem at all.
>>
>> "jeff4379" <jeff4379@news.postalias> wrote in message
>> news:%23Hu4fWVhEHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl
>>> I'm sure there are many more than just one server uploading that
>>> file, and that bandwidth is not an issue on Microsoft's side...But
>>> the fact is Microsoft says explicitly not to download this IT
>>> PROFESSIONAL AND DEVELOPERS version if you are updating you home pc.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phil" <comingsoon@philcosoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uGaQWSVhEHA.1972@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> That's just because they don't want that server to get slammed by
>>>> millions of users trying to download it. They want it available for
>>>> business users. The windows update server can handle alot more
>>>> traffic and downloads, so that's why they want home users to wait.
>>>> It's just a bandwidth issue, not an issue with the network version
>>>> and home users.
>>>>
>>>> "jeff4379" <jeff4379@news.postalias> wrote in message
>>>> news:uLUgGKVhEHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl
>>>>> So the fact that microsoft explicitly says "IF YOU ARE A HOME
>>>>> USER, DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS VERSION" means nothing to you? I
>>>>> see...obviously you know more than microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> From MS website:
>>>>>
>>>>> This installation package is intended for IT professionals and
>>>>> developers downloading and installing on multiple computers on a
>>>>> network. If you're updating just one computer, please visit
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30
>>>>> -8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23nku3EVhEHA.1724@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> In news:e$qYj8UhEHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
>>>>>> jeff4379 <jeff4379@news.postalias> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are not an IT professional testing SP2, don't download
>>>>>>> it and
>>>>>>> install it. Wait until you are offered it through automatic
>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>> or Windows updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's not a reason to wait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current version: Windows XP Service Pack 2
>>>>>>> Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and
>>>>>>> Developers is
>>>>>>> not meant for home use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for any kind of use, home or otherwise. It's an image
>>>>>> of the complete installation CD. For that reason, it's
>>>>>> big--266MB. If you get it from Windows Update, it will be
>>>>>> smaller--80-100MB or so--because it will be customized for *your*
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than its being a larger download, there is no disadvantage
>>>>>> to the Network Installation download, for home users or any other
>>>>>> kind of users. And the Network Installation package has the
>>>>>> advantage for many people (even home users) that a single
>>>>>> download will let them use it on several computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>>>>>> Please reply to the newsgroup

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