Re: ghosting
From: Greg R (webworm12_at_yes.hotmail.com)
Date: 08/16/04
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:23:10 -0500
I looked on my emachune restore disk. They use ghost 7.0 enterprise.
It can restore ntfs. I assume that ghost can also read & write NTFS.
That's bad if 8.0 enterprise won't read & write ntfs partition.
I am wondering if emachine will switch to another backup program for
thier restore cds
Greg R
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:32:54 -0400, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>As promised, I tested GHOST.EXE from Enterprise Ghost v8.0 Ghost Boot Disk and it can't
>write/read a NTFS drive.
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>So it looks like Ghost 2003 is the *ONLY* version where the DOS based GHOST.EXE utility can
>read/write NTFS drives/partitions.
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>Dave
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>"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
>news:uaMbwhxgEHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>| Art:
>|
>| You left out the concept of IMAGING. That is creating a compressed file or files
>(depending
>| upon the size of the source) on another media such as a hard disk. I erroneously stated
>| that Ghost 2003's DOS utility GHOST.EXE could not read/write to a NTFS partition. This is
>| true for *many* other versions of Ghost, but not the retail Ghost 2003. I'm not sure
>about
>| Enterprise Ghost v8, but I will try it on Monday.
>|
>| If you are using a larger hard disk, it makes NO sense to downgrade to a smaller hard
>disk.
>| That's like decreasing the RAM in a PC. You add RAM to a PC or you use a larger hard
>disk.
>| What I will state is that it is better to image the drive than to clone the drive if the
>| destination drive is smaller than the source drive. For example, drive "C:" (which boots
>| the OS) is 60GB the destination drive is 40GB and is "D:". The objective is to image the
>| "C:" drive to the "D:" drive. This will create a 2GB GHO file and subsequent 2GB GHS
>files
>| until the entire "C:" drive is imaged. If the "C:" drive is using 20GB of space, you can
>| expect the resultant image to be 10~12GB (sum of GHO and GHS files). This way multiple
>| Ghost image backup-sets can be stored on the destination "D:" drive. Assuming the above,
>| one could expect three Ghost image backup-sets on the 40GB "D:" drive.
>|
>| Dave
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>| "Art" <noonehere@longone.net> wrote in message
>news:u$pVUavgEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>| | David:
>| |
>| | With respect to this issue, you are muddying up the waters in such a way as
>| | to make your argument practically incomprehensible. Norm is absolutely
>| | correct in his previous comments regarding Ghost's ability to successfully
>| | clone partitions/disks regardless of the file system employed by the
>| | operating system. It makes no difference whether you are cloning an NTFS
>| | partition to a disk containing a FAT32 partition. Similarly it makes no
>| | difference whether you are cloning a FAT32 partition to a disk that contains
>| | a NTFS file system. Simply stated, if you clone a FAT32 file system to a
>| | destination disk, then that's what you'll get. It's irrelevant what file
>| | system was formerly on the destination disk. And the same is true when
>| | cloning a NTFS file system to a destination disk. The destination disk will
>| | contain the cloned contents of that NTFS partition or disk. Again, it's
>| | irrelevant what file system previously or currently resided on the
>| | destination disk. To sum up - a clone is a clone is a clone. As simple as
>| | that.
>| |
>| | Perhaps to clarify this issue for other users who are contemplating using
>| | Symantec's Norton Ghost program (or similar cloning program) for the
>| | expressed purpose of creating a near fail-safe backup system, let me make
>| | the following points...
>| |
>| | 1. Using the Ghost floppy disk created in the Ghost program (and here, I
>| | might add, is where I agree with David that using the Ghost floppy is
>| | preferable to using the Ghost's Windows interface because of its simplicity
>| | and portability aspects), you can "clone" your day-to-day working hard drive
>| | to another hard drive or external storage device.
>| | 2. By cloning your hard drive to another drive you have, in effect, a
>| | bit-for-bit copy of your hard drive, including your operating system, your
>| | registry settings, your programs and applications, your data files - in
>| | short, everything that is on your hard drive. What better backup system can
>| | one employ?
>| | 3. The cloning process is straightforward, reasonably quick, and most
>| | important of all - effective. After booting up with the Ghost floppy, a few
>| | simple key clicks and the cloning process begins.
>| | 4. Your cloned internal hard drive is bootable and for all practical
>| | purposes is an exact copy of your working hard drive. Think of the
>| | extroardinary advantage of using this type of backup system in comparison to
>| | other backup systems.
>| | 5. It makes no difference what kinds of file systems are employed by the
>| | source disk (the disk you're cloning from) or the destination disk (the disk
>| | you're cloning to). If you clone your working hard drive containing the NTFS
>| | file system, then your destination disk will contain the identical system
>| | regardless of the file system it previously contained. And the same is true
>| | with respect to cloning a FAT32 file system. As I previously stated, a clone
>| | is a clone is a clone.
>| | 6. It makes no difference in the size (capacity) of your hard drives as long
>| | as the destination disk contains sufficent capacity to receive the clone. So
>| | if you're cloning a 120 GB drive that contains 30 GB of data to a 40 GB
>| | destination drive you have absolutely no problem in that situation.
>| |
>| | Art
>| |
>| | "Norm" <spam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>| | news:EXMTc.8255$PG2.1816397@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>| | > Here is the proof from the Symantics website:
>| | > http://tinyurl.com/5qafg
>| | >
>| | > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
>| | > news:u77oARtgEHA.2984@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>| | > While Ghost 2003, a win32 GUI, may read and see a Ghost image on a NTFS
>| | > disk, you will NOT
>| | > be able to do so if you boot from a Ghost Boot Disk which, as I stated,
>| | > boots either PC-DOS
>| | > or MS-DOS. GHOST.EXE found on a Ghost Boot Disk is a DOS program that can
>| | > NOT read NTFS.
>| | > If you were to use the TCP/IP peer-to-peer mode to transfer an image on a
>| | > NTFS disk, you
>| | > would NOT be able to. If you were to boot a
>| | > Ghost Boot Disk and image drive "C:" to a NTFS drive "D:" you would NOT be
>| | > able to see drive
>| | > "D:".
>| | >
>| | > The capabilities of Ghost is *best* exploited when booting from a Ghost
>| | Boot
>| | > Disk because
>| | > when you do so you are NOT running the OS from the hard disk and there are
>| | > no file handles
>| | > open and the image of the hard disk will be 100% intact and perfect.
>| | >
>| | > It is NOT a good idea to downsize an OS from a large to a smaller hard
>| | disk.
>| | > While it is
>| | > truly possible, it is an inane solution. I have *never* seen the
>| | situation
>| | > where one wants
>| | > to go to a smaller disk while there is always the situation where a higher
>| | > capacity drive is
>| | > required due to the fact one is running out of disk space.
>| | >
>| | > Please study the use of Ghost and all its capabilities. I have. I use
>| | > Ghost 2003
>| | > personally and I use Ghost Enterprise (v7~v8) professionally.
>| | >
>| | > As I have stated before:
>| | > Ghost is the only Symantec product I swear by and not swear at.
>| | >
>| | > BTW: I suggest the following URL to get the PDF files on the
>| | documentation
>| | > of the various
>| | > Ghost versions.
>| | > ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/ghost/manuals/
>| | >
>| | > Dave
>| | >
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>| | >
>| | > "Norm" <spam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>| | > news:C8KTc.38572$wM.3778@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>| | > | The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
>| | > | NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk,
>| | has
>| | > no
>| | > | problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on
>| | > it.
>| | > | I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
>| | > | amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why
>| | > it's
>| | > | not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose
>| | > of
>| | > | spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored
>| | image
>| | > | will work just fine on the 40gb.
>| | > |
>| | > | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
>| | > | news:%23aeQDrsgEHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>| | > | That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos
>| | to
>| | > | ask in;
>| | > | symantec.customerservice.general
>| | > |
>| | > | However, I'll answer the query here.
>| | > |
>| | > | If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk,
>| | you
>| | > | now have an exact
>| | > | copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.
>| | > |
>| | > | If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
>| | > have
>| | > | an exact copy
>| | > | of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this
>| | would
>| | > | not be a good
>| | > | idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
>| | > | smaller hard disk to
>| | > | a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to
>| | create
>| | > a
>| | > | Ghost image of
>| | > | the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a
>| | Ghost
>| | > | image is created
>| | > | on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
>| | > off
>| | > | a Ghost Book
>| | > | Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
>| | > said
>| | > | images.
>| | > |
>| | > | Dave
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>| | > |
>| | > | " Komboloi" <Light@Elaaaaaaa.org> wrote in message
>| | > | news:10hunqeo32453d7@corp.supernews.com...
>| | > | | I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
>| | > | capacity?
>| | > | | For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
>| | > My
>| | > | | main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK
>| | right?
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