Re: New Imformation: "Out Out damned html!" --Macbeth?:"

From: Kelly (kelly_at_mvps.org)
Date: 08/11/04 

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:32:50 -0500

<LOL> Doubt it was Macbeth, though. Good luck! 

-- 
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
"Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uliWZuwfEHA.2812@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Kelly--
>
> 1) If I'm posting in HTML again, it's really difficult to tell how.
> Everything is turned off at every possible html spicket. I have both mail
> and newsgroups set to plain text on the Tools>Options send.
>
> 2) When I click on the Reply icon on the toolbar, it automatically sets up
> to format in html--I have no clue why nor does anyone else here,  and I'll
> take it to the OE MVPs but I am turning it off manually by selecting
> Format>Plain text on the newsgroup message. If this message posts as html,
> I'm missing something gigantic.
>
> 3) My reference to "Is It true" was a registry key I pasted when HTML
> kicked in automatically and I didn't know it--that retained HTML
> formatting and it brought the comment "html?" from you in a post the other
> day--Same issue as #2 and the same thing I pasted from here in your SR
> article on your site at the bottom.  It didn't have anything to do with
> *any SR thread* you "worked."
>
> I  *really* appreciate the clarification from Ron here--it helps--I was
> caught off guard thinking that if you only put text in the message and the
> bar is down you aren't posting in html--now I know you are-- but the bar
> (the one that doesn't exist in Jan's universe but does in Microsoft's
> IE/OE development team's) won't be staying down at least in this group.
>
> "When you are composing the message, Format, Plain Text.
> If you have the formatting bar in your composition window, you are using
> HTML even if you only put text in the message."
>
> There shouldn't  be a relationship with the Mail Sending Format and the
> Email sending format but maybe there is.  I think Tom Koch and many others
> have pointed out that OE has not been the most perfectly crafted (to use
> the over-worked TV talking head Congressional buzz word) application--it's
> free but it brings the newsgroups a lot better than the web interface so
> it's valuable.  It also is easier to use for mail than Outlook for some
> new users.
>
> BTW I pasted that title below from the System Restore web page on your
> site linked below into Notepad and it came into this message *still in a
> bold format,* but my friend the HTML Formatting bar wasn't showing.  So as
> not to risk it, I just wiped it out and typed it.
>
> Highlights of System Restore Fixes in SP1
>
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm
>
> So I'll look for the answer to those two questions from OE
> MVPs/mavens/experts/enthusiasts
>
> 1) Why does the ##%%%&&** bar persist in showing up when I click reply on
> the message toolbar under subject so that I manually have to turn it off
> (mouse clicks not digging ditches)?
>
> 2)  Why did the title from your webpage at the bottom from the piece that
> Anshul Rawat [MS] wrote persist in bold even after I stripped it into
> notepad?
>
> If anyone knows another place to stop html I'm all ears for this--if it's
> still showing up.  I seriously doubt it is.  I thought I hit every
> location on the OE menus possible.
>
> Chad
>
>
>
> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:u4hCJOqfEHA.556@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Chad,
>
> You are posting in html again.
>
> As for your line:  SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
> speaking of.  If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
> as to which section, etc.
>
> However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know
> why
> you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway.  I would suggest starting
> a
> new one for someone else.
>
> As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
> already been explained and you verified.  As for hyperlinks, etc. as you
> can
> clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies
> contain
> them and I post in plain text.
>
> To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text.
>
> -- 
> All the Best,
> Kelly
>
> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
> Troubleshooting Windows XP
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
>
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23lpq9WjfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Sorry for being so dense.  What you meant is that the different formatting
> on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be
> stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it.  Had
> I
> known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before
> posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large
> MSKB titles get changed or anything else.  I really was suprised when it
> was
> prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It
> True?  Why?  Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would
> be
> stripped automaticaly.  That's what happened.
>
> You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd
> do.
> I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.
>
> If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know
> Jan
> says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is
> down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply
> on
> the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you
> aren't
> underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted
> in
> html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out.  That bar has
> come
> down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you
> were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks
> and
> text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post.   What changed was
> that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.
>
> BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very  important information is mentioned
> absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and
> SR
> articles.  It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR
> won't
> work.  Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted
> restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there
> could have been some others.
>
> MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on
> SP1 or SR.  And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a
> whole
> lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or
> make
> a change believing SR was just not effective.  The guy from the SR team
> never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore
> point,
> but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the
> registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.
>
> Right now the bar is down.  But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so
> there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a
> hyperlink.  It would only become a problem if I did something with a font
> or
> paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into
> the
> ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can
> straighten me out on this one.
>
> Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone
> else outlined.  The checks or radio buttons  have been in the correct box
> on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that
> escape
> me but not other MSFT public groups.  I can take that question to OE--I
> just
> wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line?
> My
> guess is no.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad Harris
>
>
>  "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ujMw2CffEHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>  Chad,
>
>  I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings
> this
>  is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
>  groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. :o)
>
>  >I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....
>
>  Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?
>
>  > Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying
> to
>  > figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
>  > notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
>  > shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
>  > appreciate it.
>
>  This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from
> a
>  website.  Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy
> it
>  into Notepad before copying it here.  Simple!  :o)
>  -- 
>  All the Best,
>  Kelly
>
>  Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>  2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>
>  Troubleshooting Windows XP
>  http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>
>
>
>
>  "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>  news:etD2nSSfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>  > Kelly--
>  >
>  > I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this,  just a
>  > little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by
> intent
>  > element."  I'm pretty familiar with the  options tabs, although I can't
>  > recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
>  > double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned,
> and
>  > why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call
> it
>  > was showing up.  I made sure that I had the two places that address
> plain
>  > text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
>  > dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
>  > after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
>  > wouldn't contribute.  So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
>  > format and select Plain Text and it goes away.
>  >
>  > Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html
> bar
>  > was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
>  > anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or
> bold
>  > type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
>  > *nothing to show up as html*.  Obviously, this isn't the case.  I
>  > understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and
> some
>  > additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as
> html
>  > or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font
> and
>  > you didn't do anything else.
>  >
>  > Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying
> to
>  > figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
>  > notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
>  > shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
>  > appreciate it.
>  >
>  > Chad
>  >
>  >
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>  > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
>  > news:%23iDNpNRfEHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>  > Chad,
>  >
>  > I didn't mean to get you upset.  IF your settings were as you claim a
> week
>  > or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
>  > party.
>  > IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be
> posting
>  > to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.
>  >
>  > As for attachments, that is different than posting html.  Attachments
> can
>  > be
>  > included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.
>  >
>  > -- 
>  > All the Best,
>  > Kelly
>  >
>  > Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>  > 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>  >
>  > Troubleshooting Windows XP
>  > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>  > news:OoL1pDIfEHA.3632@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>  >> It is getting old Kelly  The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
>  >> expressly
>  >> as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of
> IE/XP)
>  >> and
>  >> it shows up if I click Format>Rich text>html.  *It's not part of any
> 3rd
>  >> party app.*  It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was
> not
>  >> *what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows
> 95
>  >> (and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like
> Notepad
>  >> XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--
>  >>
>  >> http://www.acsoftware.org/
>  >>
>  >> that have 10 X the features of Notepad,  but I didn't see the point of
>  >> having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up
> as
>  >> in
>  >> this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted
> step.
>  >> But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm
> still
>  >> asking why?
>  >>
>  >> For whatever  reason, once in a while when I open a new message or
> reply
>  >> message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
>  >> plain
>  >> text and it's gone.
>  >>
>  >> The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less
> than
>  >> .05% of posts.  And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
>  >> about
>  >> posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
>  >> because bold text  or underlining makes it easier than a lousy
> asterick
>  >> to
>  >> emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out.  Italics have their
> place
>  >> for
>  >> the same reason you see them every where else.  Are there really that
>  >> many
>  >> on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
>  >> word?*
>  >> I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
>  >> should
>  >> be a mechanism for that to happen too.
>  >>
>  >> On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
>  >> problems
>  >> installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
>  >> interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
>  >> attachments
>  >> of the logs.  It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the
> NTTP
>  >> newsreader.
>  >>
>  >> Best,
>  >>
>  >> Chad Harris
>  >>
>  >>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>  >> __
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
>  >> news:u8%23EG%23FfEHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>  >>> Chad,
>  >>>
>  >>> Not to be rude, but this is getting old.  Other than that, whatever
> html
>  >> bar
>  >>> you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
>  >>> also
>  >>> meaning OE).  And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body.
> Notepad
>  >>> is
>  >> a
>  >>> simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.
>  >>>
>  >>> -- 
>  >>> All the Best,
>  >>> Kelly
>  >>>
>  >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>  >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>  >>>
>  >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>  >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>  >>> news:uG8HRkEfEHA.3028@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>  >>> > Kelly--
>  >>> >
>  >>> > I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks
> in
>  >>> > when
>  >>> > I get ready to reply and I don't know why.  This is after several
>  >>> > posts
>  >> in
>  >>> > plain text where plain text has been selected.
>  >>> > If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
>  >>> > html
>  >> it
>  >>> > wasn't meant to happen.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > The spell checker is not on the blink.  I don't use one, so I have
> to
>  >>> > watch
>  >>> > the typos.  I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
>  >>> > help
>  >>> > spelling.  I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news,  it
> just
>  >>> > drives
>  >>> > me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
>  >>> > learning
>  >>> > curve) it stops on many words and software terms  that aren't
>  >> misspelled.
>  >>> > So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from
> a
>  >>> > website
>  >>> > (I'm sure you mean the url here),  *you should to do it in notepad
>  >> first.*
>  >>> > If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
>  >>> > OE,
>  >> in
>  >>> > text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks
> in
>  >>> > a
>  >>> > plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by
> opening
>  >>> > notepad and pasting them in there first?
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Thanks,
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Chad Harris
>  >>> >
>  >>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>  >>> > __
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>> > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
>  >>> > news:OWIklSseEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>  >>> >> Chad,
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving.  :o)  Other than that,
>  >>> >> you
>  >>> > were
>  >>> >> posting in html, until this post.
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> As for the latter:  Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
>  >>> >> paste
>  >> it
>  >>> >> into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> -- 
>  >>> >> All the Best,
>  >>> >> Kelly
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
>  >>> >> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> Troubleshooting Windows XP
>  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
>  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
>  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>  >>> >> news:esJ08YreEHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>  >>> >> > Plato--
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets
> is
>  >>> >> > to
>  >>> >> > use
>  >>> >> > the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you
> see
>  >>> >> > here.
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs_edits/iesmallertxt.reg
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > Best,
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > Chad Harris
>  >>> >> >
>  >>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> > "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
>  >>> >> > news:41119f96$0$32094$45beb828@newscene.com...
>  >>> >> >> Chad Harris wrote:
>  >>> >> >>>
>  >>> >> >>> There have been a number of installation errors  of the July
> 27th
>  >>> >> >>
>  >>> >> >> Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one
> that
>  >>> >> >> is
>  >>> > even
>  >>> >> >> smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.
>  >>> >> >>
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >> >
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >>
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>