Re: New Imformation: Also Kelly's Any html deployed here?

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From: Kelly (kelly_at_mvps.org)
Date: 08/10/04 

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:30:40 -0500

Chad,

You are posting in html again.

As for your line: SR, Is it True,Why?......I have no clue what you are
speaking of. If it is on my site, you would have to give more information
as to which section, etc.

However, I haven't worked any SR threads as of late, so don't even know why
you are bringing this up in this thread, anyway. I would suggest starting a
new one for someone else.

As for your settings for OE (to view, read and send in plain text) has
already been explained and you verified. As for hyperlinks, etc. as you can
clearly see, my signature contain one, 90% of the body of my replies contain
them and I post in plain text.

To prevent posting in html using OE don't use Rich Text. 

-- 
All the Best,
Kelly
Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
"Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:%23lpq9WjfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Sorry for being so dense.  What you meant is that the different formatting 
on your SR article (possibly supplied by the guy who wrote it) would be 
stripped and wouldn't have been reproduced after notepad stripped it.  Had I 
known it would bother someone, I could have easily reformatted it before 
posting by simply moving it next to regular plain text--the same way large 
MSKB titles get changed or anything else.  I really was suprised when it was 
prerved just as I was surprised when that reg key was preserved from Is It 
True?  Why?  Because they never had been before--and I assumed they would be 
stripped automaticaly.  That's what happened.
You're right about OE problems going to OE, and normally that's what I'd do. 
I wonder though if you can answer one question that still has me confused.
If the html formatting bar or whatever you would like to name it (I know Jan 
says it doesn't exist) but Microsoft does in a dozen places cubed) is 
down--and it does show up on this group and not others when I click reply on 
the OE toolbar but the only thing you are posting is plain text--you aren't 
underlining anything or I paste a link from Kelly's XP how have I posted in 
html--I'm not arguing I'm just trying to figure this out.  That bar has come 
down hundreds of times in this group, but I never got a complaint when you 
were on the thread and I think the reason is because regular hyperlinks and 
text were just plain text and hyperlinks on the post.   What changed was 
that font preserved in your Sys Restore article.
BTW Kelly--That little tidbit of very  important information is mentioned 
absolutely nowhere I can find on the web going to scores of XP sites and SR 
articles.  It's key to understanding why so many people complained SR won't 
work.  Before I saw that I attributed it to dirty shutdowns and corrupted 
restore points as the logical cause it failed, although of course there 
could have been some others.
MSFT doesn't mention it anywhere on MSDN or Technet or any of their KBs on 
SP1 or SR.  And wouldn't you agree that if I interpret it correctly, a whole 
lot of people walked away from trying to use SR to save their system or make 
a change believing SR was just not effective.  The guy from the SR team 
never explained exactly how people were locked away from the restore point, 
but if they didn't reach it, they weren't going to get the snapshot of the 
registry back to before the problem they were trying to fix.
Right now the bar is down.  But I'm not pasting so much as a hyperlink so 
there shouldn't be any html deployed and shouldn't even if I do paste a 
hyperlink.  It would only become a problem if I did something with a font or 
paragraph formatting, ect. wouldn't it? I'm not trying to run this into the 
ground, or foist an OE problem on the XP group, but I know you can 
straighten me out on this one.
Is there anything in this post that causes any html problems Jan or anyone 
else outlined.  The checks or radio buttons  have been in the correct box 
on the send tab, but it comes down and on this group for reasons that escape 
me but not other MSFT public groups.  I can take that question to OE--I just 
wonder if there is anything showing here that steps over the html line?  My 
guess is no.
Thanks,
Chad Harris
  "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message 
news:ujMw2CffEHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
  Chad,
  I do appreciate your wanting to understand/critique things, but beings 
this
  is an OE issue, perhaps you could visit the great guys and gals in the OE
  groups where this type of thing is discussed daily. :o)
  >I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this....
  Glad to hear and maybe it is time to move on?
  > Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
  > figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
  > notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
  > shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
  > appreciate it.
  This had to do with a mention you made about doing a copy and paste from a
  website.  Again, when you are doing so (because of formatting, etc) copy 
it
  into Notepad before copying it here.  Simple!  :o)
  -- 
  All the Best,
  Kelly
  Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
  2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
  Troubleshooting Windows XP
  http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
  "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  news:etD2nSSfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
  > Kelly--
  >
  > I wasn't that upset, or trying to make a big deal out of this,  just a
  > little miffed when Jan kept pushing the "lack of consideration by intent
  > element."  I'm pretty familiar with the  options tabs, although I can't
  > recite from rote what's on them, but after the first couple messages I
  > double checked to see if there was any stone I was leaving unturned, 
and
  > why in the world the html formatting bar or whatever you want to call it
  > was showing up.  I made sure that I had the two places that address 
plain
  > text configured for it on the send tab, and went over the "plain text
  > dialogue box" whose options I don't claim to understand perfectly even
  > after seeing them contexted in the IE box--but to make sure that they
  > wouldn't contribute.  So what I do if I see the bar is just to go to
  > format and select Plain Text and it goes away.
  >
  > Another thing that contributed to making html posts was when the html 
bar
  > was down for whatever reason, I thought that if I wasn't going to do
  > anything but paste a hyperlink, (i.e. not underline or italicize or bold
  > type any words), then even if it had been set on html there would be
  > *nothing to show up as html*.  Obviously, this isn't the case.  I
  > understand from David that Ctrl+3 can give you that information and some
  > additional informaiton, but what puzzles me is *what would show as  html
  > or cause the bandwidth problems if you didn't have an off-sized font and
  > you didn't do anything else.
  >
  > Also I know you hae a reason for everything you say, and I was trying to
  > figure out what I didn't appreciate about the step of pasting into
  > notepad. If I'm missing something there, and you can also clarify what
  > shows up as html if the only thing you do is paste a hyperlink, I'd
  > appreciate it.
  >
  > Chad
  >
  > 
_______________________________________________________________________________
  > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
  > news:%23iDNpNRfEHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
  > Chad,
  >
  > I didn't mean to get you upset.  IF your settings were as you claim a 
week
  > or so ago, this would not be happening, thus my thinking it was third
  > party.
  > IF and when you see the html bar appear, it means that you will be 
posting
  > to the like, thus your settings aren't as you claimed.
  >
  > As for attachments, that is different than posting html.  Attachments 
can
  > be
  > included via plain text and are on rare occasions here.
  >
  > -- 
  > All the Best,
  > Kelly
  >
  > Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
  > 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
  >
  > Troubleshooting Windows XP
  > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  > news:OoL1pDIfEHA.3632@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
  >> It is getting old Kelly  The html bar I'm seeing as explicitly and
  >> expressly
  >> as I can convey it is native to OE (and as you say a component of 
IE/XP)
  >> and
  >> it shows up if I click Format>Rich text>html.  *It's not part of any 
3rd
  >> party app.*  It's native to OE meaning IE meaning XP. My question was 
not
  >> *what notepad is or where I can find it*--it was introduced in Windows 
95
  >> (and there are many free apps that are notepad on steroids like Notepad
  >> XP)--actually two different 3rd parties have that name--
  >>
  >> http://www.acsoftware.org/
  >>
  >> that have 10 X the features of Notepad,  but I didn't see the point of
  >> having to test paste a link into notepad if a plain link will show up 
as
  >> in
  >> this message formatted in plain text--it just seemed like a wasted 
step.
  >> But you always say things for a good reason, so I asked why and I'm 
still
  >> asking why?
  >>
  >> For whatever  reason, once in a while when I open a new message or 
reply
  >> message it shows up and if it does I click format and change back to
  >> plain
  >> text and it's gone.
  >>
  >> The ratio of times I posted in html versus plain text have been less 
than
  >> .05% of posts.  And I still don't understand what the **huge deal is
  >> about
  >> posting in html*** partly for the reasons David Candy gave above, and
  >> because bold text  or underlining makes it easier than a lousy asterick
  >> to
  >> emphasize a phrase and allow it to stand out.  Italics have their place
  >> for
  >> the same reason you see them every where else.  Are there really that
  >> many
  >> on dial up who are *that compromised by an ocassional italic or bold
  >> word?*
  >> I wasn't talking about posting images or attachements, although there
  >> should
  >> be a mechanism for that to happen too.
  >>
  >> On one of the Office groups, because there have been an epidemic of
  >> problems
  >> installing Office 2003 SP1 requiring the Resource Kit tools and
  >> interpretation of Hotfix_MSI logs, MSFT has encouraged posting
  >> attachments
  >> of the logs.  It's the same kind of binary group as this one on the 
NTTP
  >> newsreader.
  >>
  >> Best,
  >>
  >> Chad Harris
  >>
  >> 
____________________________________________________________________________
  >> __
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
  >> news:u8%23EG%23FfEHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
  >>> Chad,
  >>>
  >>> Not to be rude, but this is getting old.  Other than that, whatever 
html
  >> bar
  >>> you are seeing and speaking of, is not native nor related to XP (thus
  >>> also
  >>> meaning OE).  And no, I didn't mean the URL, I meant the body. 
Notepad
  >>> is
  >> a
  >>> simple text editor program that comes with all versions of Windows.
  >>>
  >>> -- 
  >>> All the Best,
  >>> Kelly
  >>>
  >>> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
  >>> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
  >>>
  >>> Troubleshooting Windows XP
  >>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >>> news:uG8HRkEfEHA.3028@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
  >>> > Kelly--
  >>> >
  >>> > I have noticed since this came up that sometimes the HTML bar kicks 
in
  >>> > when
  >>> > I get ready to reply and I don't know why.  This is after several
  >>> > posts
  >> in
  >>> > plain text where plain text has been selected.
  >>> > If I see it, I switch to plain text, and if I was chain posting in
  >>> > html
  >> it
  >>> > wasn't meant to happen.
  >>> >
  >>> > The spell checker is not on the blink.  I don't use one, so I have 
to
  >>> > watch
  >>> > the typos.  I can spell somewhat, and I dictionary the words I need
  >>> > help
  >>> > spelling.  I like it in Wordmail in OL, but here in OE news,  it 
just
  >>> > drives
  >>> > me crazy because (although I understand it's supposed to have a
  >>> > learning
  >>> > curve) it stops on many words and software terms  that aren't
  >> misspelled.
  >>> > So I'll try to do a better job proofreading.
  >>> >
  >>> > I don't understand why you suggest that if you copy and paste from a
  >>> > website
  >>> > (I'm sure you mean the url here),  *you should to do it in notepad
  >> first.*
  >>> > If, and I don't understand the why of this exactly, as Jan said, in
  >>> > OE,
  >> in
  >>> > text mode all hyperlinks are clickable, so you can paste hyperlinks 
in
  >>> > a
  >>> > plain text message and they are clickable, what do you gain by 
opening
  >>> > notepad and pasting them in there first?
  >>> >
  >>> > Thanks,
  >>> >
  >>> > Chad Harris
  >>> >
  >> 
____________________________________________________________________________
  >>> > __
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> > "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
  >>> > news:OWIklSseEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
  >>> >> Chad,
  >>> >>
  >>> >> Your spell checker seems to be misbehaving.  :o)  Other than that,
  >>> >> you
  >>> > were
  >>> >> posting in html, until this post.
  >>> >>
  >>> >> As for the latter:  Whenever you copy and paste from a website -
  >>> >> paste
  >> it
  >>> >> into Notepad first, then copy and paste again.
  >>> >>
  >>> >> -- 
  >>> >> All the Best,
  >>> >> Kelly
  >>> >>
  >>> >> Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
  >>> >> 2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award
  >>> >>
  >>> >> Troubleshooting Windows XP
  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
  >>> >>
  >>> >> Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
  >>> >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm
  >>> >>
  >>> >>
  >>> >> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >>> >> news:esJ08YreEHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
  >>> >> > Plato--
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > This is another convenience, but I think one of your best bets is
  >>> >> > to
  >>> >> > use
  >>> >> > the Accessbility chek box so that you can rheostat anythng you 
see
  >>> >> > here.
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > Use Kelly's Tweak Line 227 Left:
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > Set IE Fonts to Smaller or Larger
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs_edits/iesmallertxt.reg
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > Best,
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > Chad Harris
  >>> >> >
  >> _______________________________________________________________________
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> > "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
  >>> >> > news:41119f96$0$32094$45beb828@newscene.com...
  >>> >> >> Chad Harris wrote:
  >>> >> >>>
  >>> >> >>> There have been a number of installation errors  of the July 
27th
  >>> >> >>
  >>> >> >> Since your going to post in html with a mini font, pick one that
  >>> >> >> is
  >>> > even
  >>> >> >> smaller to give my eyes an even better workout.
  >>> >> >>
  >>> >> >
  >>> >> >
  >>> >>
  >>> >>
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >>
  >

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