Re: SPAM Alert
From: Al Dunbar [MS-MVP] (alan-no-drub-spam_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/27/04
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:36:17 -0600
David: just in case you did not notice, that post was from "Mr. John
Stockdyk" and NOT from the more familiar "Dr. John Stockton". In other
words, that was a troll.
As to what is spam and what is not, I have posted on the microsoft.public.*
usenet newsgroups for a few years, and, other than the occasional
misunderstanding, nobody I am aware of has ever had a serious problem with
what I have posted. Since I therefore conclude I am not violating
Microsoft's rules for usenet posts to these resources, I can only conclude
that your objections are the unfortunate result of Microsoft providing two
ways to access the newsfeeds/chats, and thinking they can apply different
rules.
If you really think that my posts are spam, then please advise someone at
Microsoft who can put me straight.
/Al
"David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uk7WF%23ocEHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
I also fight with MS, especially their PSS/XP program Managers. So they are
not my god (there is no god in case you are particularly stupid).
We just want these Usenet gooses to stop spamming here. Quite simple. Those
Comp and Alt people need to take responsibility for their creatures and
control them.
The next escalation of course is to add their groups to every reply I make.
The Acorn groups soon changed their tune when I did that.
LEAVE US ALONE, we get enough spam from here in our inboxes (for me up to
300 incl viruses on a bad day).
-- ---------------------------------------------------------- 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy', http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html "Mr John Stockdyk" <John.Stockdyk@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:73CC7040.642A12DD@mvps.org... David, What was the need of all that garbage you have posted here? Haven't you got anything better to do? Kelly may be well known here but it/this does not give her the right to abuse anybody posting here. Microsoft moderators can delete anything they want because they are running the biggest monopoly on this planet. The only concern you should all have is that your GOD BILL GATES is no longer the richest man; this honour has gone to the owner of Ikea a company based in Sweden. This only proves that activation has succeeded in deterring honest people from buying MS software. If the decline in sales of MS products continues, we may see the back of MVPs. What will these idiots do if nobody wants their service? John Stockdyk David Candy wrote: > 1. Kelly is well known. Her surname is part of one of her domain names. It's Theriot. Anyway in this group it is reccommended under the 'charter' that anonymity be used. Kelly and I provide proper email addresses. > 2. We quote fully in this group so threads can be followed. This group gets 2000 posts a day at least. Those that participate here delete post older than x days. > 3. We can post however we want. > 4. We can sig however we want. > > However your posts AREN'T allowed, because it is spam. And you are posting your spam to two private NNTP newsgroups that are commercially owned and are for support of the owner's software. > > I know you aren't very experienced in newsgroups, the equivalent of this groups charter is the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Rules of Conduct.. You are aware by posting here you give MS the right to use the material anyway they please. But then what would a nation of traitors. > > If you actually participated here, rather than only spamming, people would tolerate your spam. But you DON'T participate here. > > And I'm an australian. We speak real english. It's the americians who are overly polite (yet they kill all the time). So politness is not a virtue. > > From http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm > USE OF SERVICES > The Services may contain e-mail services, bulletin board services, chat areas, news groups, forums, communities, personal web pages, calendars, photo albums, file cabinets and/or other message or communication facilities designed to enable you to communicate with others (each a "Communication Service" and collectively "Communication Services"). You agree to use the Communication Services only to post, send and receive messages and material that are proper and, when applicable, related to the particular Communication Service. By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using the Communication Services, you will not: > > . Use the Communication Services in connection with surveys, contests, pyramid schemes, chain letters, junk email, spamming or any duplicative or unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise). > > . Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others. > > . Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information. > > . Upload, or otherwise make available, files that contain images, photographs, software or other material protected by intellectual property laws, including, by way of example, and not as limitation, copyright or trademark laws (or by rights of privacy or publicity) unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consent to do the same. > > . 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However, Microsoft reserves the right to review materials posted to the Communication Services and to remove any materials in its sole discretion. Microsoft reserves the right to terminate your access to any or all of the Communication Services at any time, without notice, for any reason whatsoever. > > Microsoft reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as Microsoft deems necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in Microsoft's sole discretion. > > Always use caution when giving out any personally identifiable information about yourself or your children in any Communication Services. Microsoft does not control or endorse the content, messages or information found in any Communication Services and, therefore, Microsoft specifically disclaims any liability with regard to the Communication Services and any actions resulting from your participation in any Communication Services. Managers and hosts are not authorized Microsoft spokespersons, and their views do not necessarily reflect those of Microsoft. > > Materials uploaded to the Communication Services may be subject to posted limitations on usage, reproduction and/or dissemination; you are responsible for adhering to such limitations if you download the materials. > > Top of page > MATERIALS PROVIDED TO MICROSOFT OR POSTED AT ANY MICROSOFT WEB SITE. > Microsoft does not claim ownership of the materials you provide to Microsoft (including feedback and suggestions) or post, upload, input or submit to any Services or its associated services for review by the general public, or by the members of any public or private community, (each a "Submission" and collectively "Submissions"). However, by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting ("Posting") your Submission you are granting Microsoft, its affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to use your Submission in connection with the operation of their Internet businesses (including, without limitation, all Microsoft Services), including, without limitation, the license rights to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; to publish your name in connection with your Submission; and the right to sublicense such rights to any supplier of the Services. > > No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein. Microsoft is under no obligation to post or use any Submission you may provide and Microsoft may remove any Submission at any time in its sole discretion. > > By Posting a Submission you warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to your Submission as described in these Terms of Use including, without limitation, all the rights necessary for you to provide, post, upload, input or submit the Submissions. > > In addition to the warranty and representation set forth above, by Posting a Submission that contain images, photographs, pictures or that are otherwise graphical in whole or in part ("Images"), you warrant and represent that (a) you are the copyright owner of such Images, or that the copyright owner of such Images has granted you permission to use such Images or any content and/or images contained in such Images consistent with the manner and purpose of your use and as otherwise permitted by these Terms of Use and the Services, (b) you have the rights necessary to grant the licenses and sublicenses described in these Terms of Use, and (c) that each person depicted in such Images, if any, has provided consent to the use of the Images as set forth in these Terms of Use, including, by way of example, and not as a limitation, the distribution, public display and reproduction of such Images. By Posting Images, you are granting (a) to all members of your private community (for each such > Images available to members of such private community), and/or (b) to the general public (for each such Images available anywhere on the Services, other than a private community), permission to use your Images in connection with the use, as permitted by these Terms of Use, of any of the Services, (including, by way of example, and not as a limitation, making prints and gift items which include such Images), and including, without limitation, a non-exclusive, world-wide, royalty-free license to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Images without having your name attached to such Images, and the right to sublicense such rights to any supplier of the Services. The licenses granted in the preceding sentences for a Images will terminate at the time you completely remove such Images from the Services, provided that, such termination shall not affect any licenses granted in connection with such Images prior to the time > you completely remove such Images. No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Images. > > And from http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx > > [Especially see > > Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online etiquette.] > > Rules of Conduct > > On This Page > About E-mail Addresses and Privacy > Expectations of Service > Rules of Conduct > Chat Code of Conduct > Chat Rules > > We hope that you find the time you spend in Microsoft's community Web sites to be useful and fun. To ensure that everyone has the best possible experience, we've established a few guidelines. Please take a moment to read them, and thank you for participating in a Microsoft community. > > About E-mail Addresses and Privacy > > Reducing Spam Associated with Posting to Online Communities: Due to a recent increase in "spam" (unsolicited junk mail, including advertisements and sometimes malicious mail containing viruses) sent to posters in newsgroups, Microsoft advises that newsgroup and community participants* should consider avoiding posting to newsgroups, chats, or other public forums using their real email address. Microsoft is also committed to continuing to address the issue of spam from a technological perspective. > > To help avoid receiving unwanted messages (spam) in your regular e-mail account, you may not want to include your regular e-mail address when you post a question or reply to a post in a discussion group or other public forum. Instead you may want to do one of the following: > > . Use a modified e-mail address: Use a different version of your e-mail address that others will understand, but that spam tools can't automatically pick up. For example, if your actual e-mail address is "anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com", consider using a modified e-mail address such as: "anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com.invalid", "anonymous@REMOVE_CAPS_AND_INVALIDdiscussions.microsoft.com.invalid", or "anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com.NO_SPAM". In this case, the spam tools will send mail to an invalid e-mail address, and others will know to exclude the extra terms when they send you e-mail. When you post a question or reply to a discussion group, just enter your modified e-mail address in the appropriate box. > > . Use a secondary e-mail account: Set up or use an e-mail account that is separate from your primary account for posting to discussion groups. When you post a question or reply to a discussion group, use your secondary account as your e-mail address. > > > *MSDN subscribers (excluding Library), TechNet Plus subscribers and Software Assurance customers should use a unique no-spam newsgroup alias for each program. Users should use their program-specific unique no-spam newsgroup alias within the specific newsgroups for the designated program. You should also follow your respective program guidelines to assure that your posts are recognized. For more specific information, visit the following: > > . MSDN > > . TechNet Plus > > . Software Assurance > > > Top of page > Expectations of Service > > Microsoft's Role: Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find here. Instead, our role is to provide a platform for people who want to take advantage of the global community of Microsoft customers and product experts. Microsoft may monitor content to ensure the accuracy of the information you'll find, but any information provided by Microsoft staff is offered "AS IS" with no warranties, and no rights are conferred. You assume all risk for your use. > > Microsoft MVPs: Microsoft MVPs (Most Valuable Professionals) are the most active experts in technical communities recognized by Microsoft for their past quality participation, demonstrated practical expertise and passion for technology. While Microsoft MVPs come from a wide range of backgrounds and professions, all share a willingness to give their time, expertise, and advice to enhance the technical skills of others. For more information on the MVP program and how you can become an MVP, see http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/. > > Top of page > Rules of Conduct > > Appropriate Language: The purpose of our communities is to exchange technical information and expertise about Microsoft products. Please avoid personal attacks, slurs, and profanity in your interactions. > > Relevance to Topics: Please make sure that your postings in newsgroups and chats are relevant to the subject at hand. It is normal for some topics to drift from the stated subject. However, to ensure maximum benefit for everyone, we encourage you to keep your postings as close to the subject as possible. > > Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance related to using Microsoft products and services. We ask that you refrain from posting unsolicited advertisements that do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat. > > Confidentiality: Please keep in mind that our communities are public spaces, so don't post anything that you don't want the world to see. Credit card numbers, product keys, and other confidential information, including anything covered under a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), should not be posted to a newsgroup, chat, or other community. > > Top of page > Chat Code of Conduct > > As part of Microsoft's commitment to make Microsoft community Chat a great place to meet and interact with others around the world, you agree to abide by our code of conduct. Your commitment to these guidelines in all of your Microsoft community chats ensures a positive experience for all participants. > > All activity on Microsoft Communities is also governed by the Microsoft.COM Terms Of Use. > > Top of page > Chat Rules > > . Please treat all other online participants with respect and do not use Microsoft Community Chats to threaten, harass, stalk, or abuse other users. > > . Impersonating a Microsoft employee, agent, manager, host, or another user is forbidden. > > . Do not use Microsoft Community Chats services to spam others. Spam includes sending identical and irrelevant or unsolicited submissions to many different users, and includes misrepresenting the source of anything you post. Spamming and scrolling in chat rooms are serious violations of online etiquette. > > . Microsoft does not allow behavior or content related to illegal activities. You may not use Microsoft Community Chats to publish, post, distribute, or disseminate defamatory, infringing, obscene, or other unlawful material or discussion. This includes, but is not limited to, child pornography, bestiality, incest, illegal drugs, software piracy, and harassment. > > . You may not use Microsoft Community Chats for the purpose of linking to external sites that violate this code of conduct. > > . Do not post or promote any materials that could harm or disrupt another user's computer or would allow others to inappropriately access software or web sites. > > . In addition to upholding this code of conduct, you are responsible for adhering to all local and national laws that pertain to your location. > > . You are responsible for any actions you may take based on advice or information you receive online. Use your own judgment when evaluating information provided through any communication service, and remember that the information provided could be from people at any age and experience level. The decision to conduct transactions is your own and you should perform your own research prior to making any decisions. > > . You are responsible and liable for all your activities while participating in the Microsoft Community Chats. Remember, you are responsible for anything you say or post. > > . Microsoft reserves the right to ban any participant from the chat rooms for violating any of the rules above. > > . Microsoft also reserves the right to amend or change the Code of Conduct at any time without notice. You agree to periodically review this document to ensure you are doing your part. > > . We caution you against giving out any personally identifiable information (such as social security number, credit card number, name, address, telephone number, driver's license number, password, etc.) online. This information can easily be used for illegal or harmful purposes. > > . You are responsible for protecting your computer against interference or viruses that may be encountered on the Internet and Microsoft Community Chats. > > > Thanks for following this code of conduct and Microsoft Community Chats! We reserve the right to amend or change the code of conduct at any time and encourage you to periodically review these guidelines to ensure you are in compliance. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > 'Not happy John! Defending our democracy', > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html > > "Timo Salmi" <ts@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message news:cdrinp$na7@poiju.uwasa.fi... > > Kelly <kelly@mvps.org> wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > I won't counter the misspelling. > > > > > As you know, this has been discussed for years in the MS groups, by MVP's > > > and non. Spam is spam. And it has been dealt with, accordingly. > > > > > Why he continues, you ask? He can only answer that. An intricate > > > > Please show that you should be taken seriously by first doing some > > proper cleaning of your own house: > > > > 1) Anonymity > > 2) Overquoting > > 3) Top posting > > 4) Excessive signaturing > > > > With all those netiquette flaws there is no indication whether you > > are on a bona fide mission or just part of the inevitable Usenet > > news nuisance background noise. If good evidence of the former, then > > I'll consider listening. > > > > The same goes likewise, or even more for your partner in arms David > > Candy, exept that 1 is replaced by his (still worse) Nazi > > insinuations and his uncouth language such as shown by > > http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c6rm8k$k5c@poiju.uwasa.fi > > > > All the best, Timo > > > > -- > > Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5 > > Department of Accounting and Business Finance ; University of Vaasa > > mailto:ts@uwasa.fi <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/> ; FIN-65101, Finland > > Timo's FAQ materials at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html > > > >
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