Re: Fraudulent use of Microsoft name

From: Greg R (webworm12_at_yes.hotmail.com)
Date: 05/28/04


Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:10:42 -0500

Never thought of using Messeger as a port tester for the firewall.
Does the Alerter service have to be on as well?

Greg R

>On Fri, 28 May 2004 06:59:12 -0600, "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@nospamcableone.net> wrote:

>Greetings --
>
> Merely advising turning off the Messenger Service to eliminate
>Messenger Service spam, which is annoying but harmless, in and of
>itself, is the sort of advice that I find dangerous. The problem is
>that turning off the Messenger Service does _not_ block or close the
>wide open TCP and UDP ports that the spammers used to deliver the spam
>to the Messenger Service for display. With the Messenger Service
>disabled, those spam deliveries are still continuing, but they're
>simply not being displayed. It really is exactly like pulling the
>battery out of a noisy smoke detector to silence it, rather than
>looking for and eliminating the source of the smoke that set it off.
>
> The danger of this "treat the symptoms" approach has been more
>than aptly demonstrated by the advent of the W32.Blaster.Worm, the
>W32.Welchia.Worm, the W32.Sasser.Worm, and their variants. These
>worms attack PCs via some of the very same open ports that the
>Messenger Service uses. Need I mention how many hundreds of thousands
>of PCs have been infected by these worms since last August? To date,
>according to my records, I have personally responded to well over 1100
>Usenet posts concerning Blaster/Welchia and Sasser infections since
>last August, and I can't possibly have seen and replied to every one
>that there's been posted in this period.
>
> Now, how many of those infected with Blaster/Welchia had turned
>off the Messenger Service to hide spam? I can't say, and I don't
>think anyone can. What I can say with absolutely certainty is that if
>they'd all had a properly configured firewall in place, they would
>have blocked the annoying spam _and_ been safe from a great many other
>dangers, particularly Blaster/Welchia/Sasser.
>
> There are several essential components to computer security: a
>knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
>reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, and the prompt repair (via
>patches, hotfixes, or service packs) of any known vulnerabilities. The
>weak link in this "equation" is, of course, the computer user. All
>too many people have bought into the various PC/software manufacturers
>marketing claims of easy computing. They believe that their computer
>should be no harder to use than a toaster oven; they have neither the
>inclination or desire to learn how to safely use their computer. All
>too few people keep their antivirus software current, install patches
>in a timely manner, or stop to really think about that cutesy link
>they're about to click. Therefore, I (and anyone who's thought about
>the matter) always recommend the use of a
>firewall. Naturally, properly configuring a firewall requires an
>investment of time and effort that most people won't give, but even
>the default settings of the firewall will offer more automatic
>protection than is currently present.
>
> Now, as for the Messenger Service itself, it generally doesn't
>hurt any thing to turn it off, as long as the antivirus application
>installed doesn't need its dependent Alerter service, although I never
>recommend doing so. Granted, the service is of little or no use to
>most home PC users (Although I've had uses for it on my home LAN.),
>and turning off unnecessary services is part of any standard computer
>security protocol. However, I feel that the potential benefits of
>leaving the Messenger Service enabled out-weigh any as-yet-theoretical
>risks that it presents. It will indirectly let the computer user know
>that his/her firewall has failed by displaying the Messenger Service
>spam. Think of it as the canary that miners used to take down into the
>mineshafts with them to detect poison gases. There are others, of
>course, who disagree with me on this point and advise turning off the
>service because it isn't needed; you'll have to make up your own mind
>here.
>
>
>Bruce Chambers



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