Re: I am "OPENLY ADVOCATING" for Bruce to be removed as a MVP!
From: kurttrail (dontemailme_at_anywhereintheknownuniverse.org)
Date: 03/10/04
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:21:03 -0500
someone wrote:
> well i don't see why you got this upset.
Hmm! For a guy that's about to go way off the friggin' topic of this
thread, I can see why you don't see why I you don't understand. And I'm far
from upset.
>
> firstly i reviewed some of the posts, and yeah you're both at each
> other. so what? that happens in an open forum. move on....
Except that I actually have the decency to answer him. The fool wants to
talk sh*t about me, but hides himself from my replies.
>
> also while reviewing your posts you stated that installing software
> on more than one machine is not illegal. that is so. the eula you are
> fond of quoting though doesn't prevent this. it covers "activating"
> on more than one machine as being a violation. also bypassing the
> activation system (ghosting/imaging an activated drive) to allow
> multiple installs. basically i find it quite funny that people to
> this day still protest that a company be paid for a product.
They were paid. What amazes me that people don't protest about paying for
the same copyrighted material more than once! If you had to buy the same
music CD for every different CD player you own, I bet we'd hear a lot more
protesting.
> the
> people out there yelling the loudest about the activation
> (anti-piracy) scheme are the ones typically pirating windows and
> think it should be free.
LOL! Are you talking about the Open Source community?
> granted my opinion is also that software
> should be free and copyright is kinda lame as it's an idea or concept
> or grouping of words etc.... how can someone own a thought? but that
> doesn't change the fact that we live in a society that does believe
> in intellectual propert rights.
It has also a society that cherishes fair use too. We wouldn't have Free
Public Libraries if that wasn't the case. It's mostly the corporate
copyright owners propaganda outlets that promote the belief that the general
public is concerned with their IP rights.
Like the TV news organizations would present a fair and balanced view of
copyright when they're owned by the largest Corporate Copyright Owners the
world has ever seen!
> the activation scheme is to try to
> keep down the buy once install on every one you know's p.c. practice
> that has been going on for a long time now.
Really? Since most of the computers out there in the western world came
with the OS already installed, are you suggesting that the Major OEMs are
engaged in software piracy? Hmm?
>
> how many people do you know as individuals and not comapnies that
> actaully purchased win 98? i can think personally of 3 (sadly myself
> included) out of possibly 30-40 who had the software installed.
See, most of the people I know bought their computers from Compaq/HP, Sony,
Dell, or Gateway. They use the OS that's pre-installed for them. And since
most average ccomputer users buy their computers from the major OEMs, and
are too frightened and dumb to upgrade to a different OS, I would believe
that your causal copying confessional to be the aberration, not the norm.
Where software piracy of MS's OS is rampant, in Asia, the real pirates beat
MS to market! And yet for all the real piracy going on, MS still was able
to amass it's $52 billion cash horde. How does that happen? Do you want to
know how? Because the cost of real piracy is passed down to the paying
consumer on every copy of MS's OS that is sold.
PA doesn't stop real piracy, it just tries to squeeze more money out of
those who already have paid, by tricking them into buying more copies than
they legally need to buy.
the
> activation policies aren't geared toward preventing people who
> purchased the os from using it.
Sure it is! The real pirates don't even have to bother with PA.
> it's designed to keep the people who
> didn't purchase it from using it.
How? "When you activate Windows, you are not required to send any personal
information to Microsoft. Activation is completely anonymous." -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/apolicy.asp
It's designed to FUD people into believe MS's One Computer nonsense, instead
of proving it by legal means.
> and after several activations i
> have never been asked for persoanl info.
Have you ever had to talk to a PA phone rep to activate? If so, did they
ask you why you were activating?
> just my activation key and
> what product im trying to activate. the system flags suspect
> activations and after a while the prod key you have won't allow
> windows updates or service packs to be installed (those where the
> portion of the activation key hash that relates to the product key
> used showing up excessively) .
Well, that's total BS! There are only to Product ID's that have been
disabled from future updates with the introduction of SP1, and they are both
Volume License ProdIDs.
> reps in activations are told to ask
> for a name to personalize a call (you know make it friendly) not to
> have the ms cops beat down your door.
Well then they did ask you for personal info, that you are not required to
give in order to activate Windows XP.
"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and, for
Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name of the
country in which the product is being installed)." -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#details
> microsoft definately
> understands what bad p.r. is and how to not heap it on themselves
> needlessly. when people complained about volume licensing microsoft
> retracted a lot of proposed policy changes.
For their corporate customers, who also aren't burdened with PA. But the
individual consumer, MS doesn't give 2 sh*ts about. They are more worried
about protecting their OS from their paying customers, than protecting those
customers from MS's bug-riddled code.
>
> so please just chill out and quit worrying about the ms cops comin
> for your hard drive cause you violated a eula
Now did I ever say that? Please quote me.
-- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
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