Re: oem vs retail full version

From: kurttrail (dontemailme_at_anywhereintheknownuniverse.org)
Date: 03/22/04 

Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:35:58 -0500

wojo wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:O8cl9Z2DEHA.2932@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> wojo wrote:
>>
>>> Actually in reading the posts you seem to want to rewrite the rules.
>>> your right MS has a monopoly right or wrong it's because they have
>>> the best product in my book.
>>
>> How would you know? Have you tried something else?
>>
> ** YES. MSDOS, Windows 2.0, Windows 3.1, Mac OS, Windows 95, Windows
> 98, Linux, Windows 98SE, Windows XP, and even Dr. DOS just for
> kicks.

Good.

>>> 53 Billion earned by selling a good product that the majority wants.
>>
>> While whining how much they are being ripped-off by their paying
>> customers.
>>
> More like their NON-Paying Customers.

LOL! The real pirates just use a copy of the VL version. PA only affects
those that have already paid for their copy of software.

>
>>> My concern is posts that more or less state that if an OEM's EULA
>>> says it can only be installed on one computer and not be moved to
>>> another (and no I'm not going to waste time copy and pasting a EULA
>>> quote here, just summarizing) then you've said screw that I'll do it
>>> anyway becasue I can.
>>
>> Because I can under, and in compliance with, the law, not what MS
>> thinks it
>> can get away with, backed up by nothing more than FUD. SHOULD IBM
>> GIVE IN TO SCO JUST BECAUSE THEY CLAIM IBM DID SOMETHING WRONG?!

Notice you ignored this part. What, don't understand the connection?

>>
>>> Their retail EULA says only on 1 computer at a
>>> time, as is the case with ALL copyrighted software, but you say
>>> don't worry about it there are KeyGen's available to allow you to
>>> install it so just do it.
>>
>> Well, you're wrong there are plenty of copyrighted programs that
>> doesn't limit installation to one computer, and most that do, are
>> members of the BSA
>> Trust of corporate copyright owners.
>>
> Plenty? No there are some, but the software that is worthwhile are
> copyrighted to be "only on one comuter at a time"

ROFL! Delusional.

>>>
>>> My only beef with you is that you tell people that copyright doesn't
>>> matter because YOU don't feel it's right or justified.
>>
>> LOL! You gonna have to quote me on that one! I'm the one that
>> advocates COPYRIGHT LAW here!
>>
> Quote you on that? How many times have you posted comments about using
> Keygen's etc.. to get around XP activation? That's Advocating
> Copyright law?

The DMCA is about copy-protection, which is what having to enter a Product
Key is.

"Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or
defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title." -
DMCA - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1201.html

So if a person needs to use a keygen in order to "fairly use" their copy of
software, the DMCA doesn't make circumventing the copy-protection illegal.

>>> Do you think
>>> maybe the cost of MS software would be more reasonable if there
>>> weren't so many people out there bypassing EULA and Copyright's just
>>> because they can?
>>
>> NOPE!
>>
>> "Over time, reduced piracy means that the software industry can
>> invest more
>> in product development, quality and support. This ensures better
>> products and more innovation for customers. Ultimately, customers
>> will benefit from the economic impact of reduced piracy through
>> increased job opportunities and higher wages." -
>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/
>>
>> Microsoft never says a thing about lower prices due to less piracy.
>>
>> http://global.bsa.org/globalstudy/
>>
>> http://global.bsa.org/globalstudy/northamerica/us.phtml
>>
>> Since 1994 software piracy HAS declined, even according to the
>> obviously biased estimates of the BSA, who gets it's statistics from
>> their members, like MS. Have you noticed a decline in software
>> prices since 1994?

OK, you're not a chickensh*t but you had no answer to this? PMSL!

>>
>>>
>>> Don't waste your time responding, I'm done with the subject.
>>
>> ROFL! Another chickensh*t MicroSychophant!
> Not Chickensh*t, just tired of wasting my time with you. I'm thinking
> that the reason Bruce is the only one who has jumped in this thread
> is because everybody else has already grown tired of reading your
> posts and don't bother to argue with you anymore. I know I've read
> many posts similar to mine talking against the kind of crap you try
> to push but now it's gotten old.

To me too, but at least I can back up my "crap" with the law, not the
obviously biased claims of MS and its BSA Trust. Let a liar like Bruce be
your hero. Most people here that don't have their heads firmly shoved MS's
ass, know him to be a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite.

>
>>
>>> Although
>>> I imagine others that feel the same way I do, there's always others
>>> telling you the same thing I am telling you, will probably continue
>>> unless everybody else has given up on you as well.
>>
>> LOL! Whatever!
> Well thought out response.

"Whatever Kurttrail" Just parrotting you, moron!

> Look Kurttrail you seem like a well educated person I am just very
> much opposed to your outlook on the subject. It's a free country
> hence your entitled to your opinion but as such I am also entitled to
> disagree with you and to tell other people WHY some of these things
> are wrong.

PMSL! You haven't yet. I've blown every argument YOU'VE made right out of
the water, and then you don't even respond to it.

Let me know when you have something more than just saying I'm "wrong."

>
>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%23$Ye0r1DEHA.1600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> wojo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever Kurttrail all I ever see from you, for the most part, is
>>>>> basically telling everybody to hack all they want. Why buy what
>>>>> you can steal etc... You spend a lot of time on Warez sites don't
>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tell people to follow copyright law, not MS's BS rules. The real
>>>> hacks are, MS for putting in technology to keep their paying
>>>> customers from using
>>>> their very expensive copies of retail software, and those that are
>>>> nothing more the apologists for a predatory monopoly.
>>>>
>>>> I advocate that people use the retail copies of software they buy
>>>> in accordance to copyright law & common sense, not according to the
>>>> legally unsubstantiated claims of a biased party, the copyright
>>>> owner.
>>>>
>>>> Should IBM just give in to SCO's unsubstantiated claims, or should
>>>> they make
>>>> them prove them by the preponderance of the evidence? At least I
>>>> give SCO some credit for having the balls to bring them to a court
>>>> in the first place, although I do believe that they are trying to
>>>> extort licenses before
>>>> the facts have been proven. MS is too cowardly to put it's claims
>>>> in a real
>>>> court of law, and have had well over a decade to do just that.
>>>>
>>>> I tell no one to steal anything, and since MS has $53 billion in
>>>> just liquid
>>>> assets, the only one that would seem to be the thief is MS by using
>>>> their monopoly position to artificially maintain the 80% margin on
>>>> their software
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Tell us all how a company that has such a big problem with their
>>>> customers "stealing" their software ends up with $53 billion in
>>>> just liquid assets alone.
>>>>
>>>> Who are the *REAL* thieves, MS or it's customers? I don't see MS's
>>>> customers laughing their way to the bank, do you?
>>>>
>>>> Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory monopoly,
>>>> like the limited copyright duration required by the Constitution,
>>>> reflects a balance
>>>> of competing claims upon the public interest: Creative work is to
>>>> be encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must ultimately
>>>> serve the cause of promoting broad public availability of
>>>> literature, music, and the other arts. The immediate effect of our
>>>> copyright law is to secure a fair return for an 'author's' creative
>>>> labor. But the ultimate aim is, by this incentive, to stimulate
>>>> artistic creativity for the general public good. 'The sole interest
>>>> of the United States and the primary object in conferring
>>>> the monopoly,' this Court has said, 'lie in the general benefits
>>>> derived by
>>>> the public from the labors of authors' . . . . When technological
>>>> change has
>>>> rendered its literal terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be
>>>> construed in
>>>> light of this basic purpose." -
>>>> http://laws.findlaw.com/us/422/151.html
>>>>
>>>> MS has gotten way more than a fair return for the labor of it's
>>>> employees, so tell everyone how MS's BS EULA rules promotes "the
>>>> broad public availability" of copyright computer programs.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>>>> http://microscum.com
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> http://microscum.com
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!" 

-- 
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

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