Re: LAN and Internet in XP Pro_Modem giving 651 error+NIC giving out [no valid address]

From: new2_XP (new2_XP_at_blow.me.dwn)
Date: 03/20/04 

Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:07:35 +0930

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:21:25 -0800, Malke
<malke@nospoonnotreally.com> wrote:

>Comments are in-line:
>
Ditto

>new2_XP wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:51:42 -0800, Malke
>> <malke@nospoonnotreally.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>>With the caveat that of course I haven't seen the machine,
>>>
>> granted.
>>
>>> it certainly sounds like the modem is bad.
>>>
>> I do not understand how that conclusion is reached?
>
>The conclusion was reached from your description of the problem and from
>what you said you did to test.
>
..mea culpa, huh?
<searching>
..now where DID I put that sword !
I'll have to be careful I have Purpose when I fall on it ?

>Again, diagnosing subtle
>hardware-related issues in Usenet postings is not the best medium.
>
I would generally agree with that statement,,from a
technical point of view.
However, I would highlight the need to possess reasonable
comprehension skills before even attempting to "hang out the
shingle" on any text based discussion forum.

>
>> The testing diags for XP (query/setup/recognition/winsock)
>> all operate/report. The log for the initiation shows the
>> initial modem communication is there, simply ceases after
>> comms channel/s are established and a port is searched to go
>> out on.
>> Or do you mean "bad" as in not being able to dial out?
>> That is where we came in , yes?
>>
>>>Since it is integrated into the
>>>motherboard, there isn't any tinkering with IRQ's that is going to be
>>>useful.
>>>
>> I do not believe that can be established until its done,
>> doing it is the thrust of my question.
>>
>>>Try using a pc card modem instead - they aren't very expensive
>>>and would solve the issue.
>>>
>> Purchasing is not an option, leastways not until I can show
>> the existing setup is :
>> a. Not XP compatible (hard to believe from " a smart 'OS' ")
>> or
>> b. Unserviceable (strange, as it was fine just two days ago
>> on XP Home !)
>
>If everything worked two days ago and you have:
>1) checked that the phone line is working
>2) changed the flat ribbon cable you are using to connect from the modem
>to the phone line with no difference
>3) Possibly tried to connect with the same cable and phone line with
>another machine (perhaps a friend's if you don't have a second
>computer)
>4) the machine is spyware and virus free and the operating system is
>properly patched
>5) the only difference is that you have upgraded from HE to Pro
>6) installed the correct drivers
>
>Then try completely uninstalling/removing the modem from the operating
>system. Uninstall and reinstall dial-up networking. Then allow the
>system to find the modem again and be sure the drivers installed are
>the correct ones.
>
I have done this, several times in differing configs, all
before my initial post.
If it was not clear to you from my post that I had indeed
done significant homework before requesting input from
others, then perhaps I have to concede the post was not well
built. I believe it was, I would welcome input on How to
improve the information flow.

>>>Otherwise, perhaps the laptop mftr.'s tech
>>>support people have an answer for you.
>>>
>> I wish, the slopes I dealt with there, are as bright as a
>> bamboo stick dipped in citronella !
>
>I have no idea what the above sentence is supposed to mean.
>
these may help you to "get my drift", so to speak.
http://tinyurl.com/2x9cn
[Montgomery of course never foresaw
the Computer Age, despite the fact one was
on the drawing boards, so to speak.]
http://tinyurl.com/2otqt
[these lamps are a common garden
'ornament' in my part of the globe]

>Since you haven't ever said (to my recollection, which may be faulty) what the
>make and model of the laptop is, or any details about its age, etc.,
>
I did not,,ever. Your recollection skill is fine.

>I can't comment on whether or not calling tech support will be fruitful
>for you. However, since laptops have proprietary hardware and usually
>have additional proprietary software, it is logical to consult the
>laptop mftr. for drivers, troubleshooting, known issues, about their
>products.
>
All done before my initial post - see comment re: Slopes

>> Mind you they share the view of replacement.
>> They want me to buy a new laptop !!
>>
>> Throw-away societies,,sheesh !
>> Bill Gates has gotta love youse all !
>
>I'm also not sure what the above sentence is supposed to mean, and
>frankly I find that I'm rather insulted by it. Read my headers if you
>really think Mr. Gates loves me.
>
*I* am not sure what you want me to see in your headers, I
am not in the habit of scrutinising headers as a rule, btw.
That practice communicates a degree
of anal retentiveness, imo.
My statement was a generalization on the direction InfoTech
is headed, for quite some time - simply that and that alone.

>>
>> Thanks for stopping by.
>
>You're welcome. Since you've made it clear you would rather not have me
>stop by again, I'm happy to oblige.
>
Well, be fair. Aside from a general rant about anything
*other* than the topic, just what did your post contribute?

I repeat so as to clearly demonstrate the question/s did
exist.
¥I would like to play with IRQ settings and addressing,, as
¥I have found in the past that this is often the problem in
¥non-communication. But I am both guessing and ignorant of
¥how to turn off auto config.
¥I have set "plug n play OS" OFF in CMOS.
¥
¥Is someone able to go back on experience and point me in
¥the right direction to get this machine talking?

I then followed up with the little I was able to find,
asking for clarification of those statements.

¥I have found this on Google,, remembering its a laptop with
¥all integrated 'peripherals' - your thoughts?
¥
¥-----------------------------------------------------------------------
¥http://tinyurl.com/2zo9h
¥
¥IRQ Sharing is managed by ACPI and /usually/ works... but
¥not always. Some (certainly not all) IRQ conflicts will
¥cause your system to crash.
¥The most effective way to get rid of IRQ conflicts that
¥cause problems, is to swap cards around in the PCI Slots.
¥All Sound Cards (or on-board sound), and
¥some NICs don't behave very well when they are sharing an
¥IRQ with other devices... look in your motherboard manual
¥to see which slots are shared, and
¥with what (the 'on-board' devices are shared with PCI
¥slots). XP will reconfigure itself on the next boot.
¥The other way is to get rid of ACPI and use APM instead. I
¥don't recommend this except when you are unable to resolve
¥a conflict _that causes problems_ .
¥If you change the Device Management "Computer" from an
¥"ACPI Compliant PC" to
¥a "Standard PC" ACPI is disabled (worse case, it will
¥require a re-install or repair to get rid of it -- when it
¥asks for you to hit F6 to load SCSI drivers, hit F7 to
force ¥Standard PC). APM can be installed in Add/Remove
¥Programs; it defaults to "OFF" when installed. Turn it on
¥in the Power Settings, APM tab.
¥By using APM instead of ACPI, you can set most of your
¥IRQs.
¥I would first attempt to resolve the conflict that is
¥causing problems by relocating boards.

Now,, you tell me, Where specifically in any of your posts
do you address my initial question other than to lampoon the
idea of any need to play with IRQ settings?

I honestly believe you have no idea as to IF such a thing
can be done OR of the process required to attempt it.
So if I am going to be honest and open in my posted
information then it follows I would expect the same in any
response.
To put it bluntly,, if u do not know then do not make
'noise'.
The only other conclusion that can be drawn is the
comprehension challenge - yours. I can understand that as
being more acceptable than 'noise' but again , if you are
not sure of what is being asked, then do not respond.
Guessing is what I do, the requester, 'techs' are supposed
to *know*. Well at least in my field that is the case.

I hope all of that helps you to better understand my chagrin
and enable you to move on - wiser.

>Good luck to you.
 Thank you, I will accept that.
I have since loaded 98se onto the machine and connected to
Networks successfully. This does prove the integrity of the
hardware - all of it.
I have now written the XP Pro image back to the machine and
reinstalled the modem and NIC,,same results.
Yes, I am persistent and I will get this sorted.
The results will remain in this thread.

The amount of traffic in this group speaks volumes for the
degree of "user friendliness" for this version of WinBloes.
As a programmer I doubt I could hold my head up if I saw
that 3 years after release my work was being questioned at
the rate of 1300 posts in just one forum in 72hrs, hardly a
recommendation?

Till Later.

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