Re: SP2 and Compatible/InCompatible games list

From: Chris H. (winxpnews_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 12/04/04


Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:16:18 -0800

BTW - There's also a 7-MB update available for Impossible Creatures:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/impossiblecreatures/downloads.asp

-- 
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:O6NS$Mi2EHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Have you made Impossible Creatures one of the trusted applications in the 
> Firewall settings?  Check this Knowledge Base article: 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;812330
>
> You may also find assistance with this KB article: 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;842242 
> Additionally, this KB article is a precise step-by-step troubleshooter for 
> multiplayer games, including a couple streaming videos which guide you 
> through the processes: 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;819836
> -- 
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "AlanKley" <AlanKley@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
> news:75A7365B-4020-489C-A85A-FE09B21151C0@microsoft.com...
>> I'm with ZoneMaster on this one.  I am unable to get Impossible Creatures
>> multiplayer to work after installing SP2.  My Tribes Vengeance 
>> Multiplayer is
>> working fine.  He and I appear to have tried all the published 
>> suggestions
>> which generally boil down to working around the firewall but as he stated
>> several times, we have turned off the firewall so most of those 
>> suggestions
>> don't seem applicable.  We have also opened up ports that are necessary 
>> for
>> the games to work.  The problem is that these programs and the OS do not 
>> give
>> sufficient information to help a user resolve the issues!  What is needed 
>> is
>> a tool to help troubleshoot and report the EXACT issue that someone may 
>> be
>> encountering.  Some function is failing, there is some return code, and 
>> it
>> would be nice if that would be presented to the user in a useful manner.
>>
>> I am also, ready to reinstall XP and not upgrade to SP2 as has been 
>> mentioned.
>>
>> "Chris H." wrote:
>>
>>> What do you mean "you guys"?  I'm a user just like you are, and my
>>> multiplayer games seem to be working just fine with XP SP2 installed on 
>>> my
>>> systems - both among my LAN systems and over the Internet.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry what I've suggested hasn't helped you.  Perhaps you need to 
>>> look
>>> to your router settings, and make sure the proper ports are being 
>>> forwarded
>>> to the appropriate systems on your LAN.
>>> -- 
>>> Chris H.
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>
>>>
>>> "ZoneMaster" <ZoneMaster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:17D9C86A-A2A7-46D3-8747-BBB1DC06C661@microsoft.com...
>>> > Ok already talked with one friend of mine who has been a network
>>> > adminstrator
>>> > for 10 years and personally beta tested XP SP2. He said you might as 
>>> > well
>>> > reinstall windows XP and NOT update to SP2. What the hell. Why can't 
>>> > you
>>> > guys
>>> > admit there is a problem with SP2 and try to fix the problems? I am 
>>> > tired
>>> > of
>>> > this wild goose chase of trying this and that and this and that and
>>> > NOTHING
>>> > works! It's pure BS. I have the same EXACT problems on both my LAN 
>>> > pc's
>>> > only
>>> > AFTER updating to SP2...go figure. Never mind this conversation is 
>>> > getting
>>> > me
>>> > knowwhere forget it.
>>> >
>>> > "ZoneMaster" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well I'm not sure what I'm suppose to do actually. I have Windows
>>> >> Firewall
>>> >> completed shutoff? Are you saying it is STILL trying to block it from
>>> >> accessing the internet? Why does it do the same on my LAN  as well 
>>> >> when i
>>> >> try
>>> >> to start a LAN game. I would think my server would show up on the 
>>> >> list if
>>> >> nothing else. Oh before Freelancer hung again for the 6th straight 
>>> >> time
>>> >> today
>>> >> I managed you get a dump of netstat.exe.
>>> >>
>>> >> Active Connections
>>> >>
>>> >>   Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
>>> >> PID
>>> >>   TCP    0.0.0.0:135            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
>>> >> 956
>>> >>   TCP    0.0.0.0:445            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING 4
>>> >>   TCP    127.0.0.1:1047         0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
>>> >> 2896
>>> >>   TCP    192.168.1.102:139      0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING 4
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:445            *:* 4
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1025           *:*
>>> >> 1120
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1029           *:*
>>> >> 1228
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1032           *:*
>>> >> 1120
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1291           *:*
>>> >> 1120
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1292           *:*
>>> >> 1120
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1373           *:*
>>> >> 3680
>>> >>   UDP    0.0.0.0:1374           *:*
>>> >> 3680
>>> >>   UDP    127.0.0.1:123          *:*
>>> >> 1060
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:123      *:*
>>> >> 1060
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:137      *:* 4
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:138      *:* 4
>>> >> -->the last three are freelancer<--
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:1372     *:*
>>> >> 3680
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:2302     *:*
>>> >> 3680
>>> >>   UDP    192.168.1.102:46779    *:*
>>> >> 3680
>>> >>
>>> >> Why is it trying to connect to 3 different UDP ports? I thought it 
>>> >> only
>>> >> used
>>> >> 2300-2400 UDP? I DO NOT have this problem with other games (at least 
>>> >> not
>>> >> microsoft ones that is)
>>> >>
>>> >> "Chris H." wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Firewall management and the security center.
>>> >> > -- 
>>> >> > Chris H.
>>> >> > Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> >> > Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> >> > Associate Expert
>>> >> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "ZoneMaster" <ZoneMaster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in 
>>> >> > message
>>> >> > news:D084C04F-2F51-402F-9CEA-237E61908E22@microsoft.com...
>>> >> > > What am I suppose to be looking for on this page? Reinstalling 
>>> >> > > SP2,
>>> >> > > SP2
>>> >> > > management?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > "Chris H." wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> Follow the instructions in the Knowledge Base article, and you 
>>> >> > >> can
>>> >> > >> read
>>> >> > >> this
>>> >> > >> information, too:
>>> >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.mspx
>>> >> > >> Make sure you're in an account with Administrative rights (not 
>>> >> > >> THE
>>> >> > >> Admin
>>> >> > >> account) when you're attempting to make changes.
>>> >> > >> -- 
>>> >> > >> Chris H.
>>> >> > >> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> >> > >> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> >> > >> Associate Expert
>>> >> > >> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> "ZoneMaster" <ZoneMaster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in 
>>> >> > >> message
>>> >> > >> news:A247FB08-3E1B-4C83-94CA-3574C2A185B1@microsoft.com...
>>> >> > >> > Oh it says to goto Windows Security Dialog box and check 
>>> >> > >> > Unblock.
>>> >> > >> > I
>>> >> > >> > never
>>> >> > >> > get
>>> >> > >> > the dialog box at all (windows firewall disabled maybe?) so 
>>> >> > >> > how
>>> >> > >> > can I
>>> >> > >> > unblock
>>> >> > >> > it? In firewall settings I have it completely OFF. I already 
>>> >> > >> > tried
>>> >> > >> > adding
>>> >> > >> > the
>>> >> > >> > games to the exception list, it does no good.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > "ZoneMaster" wrote:
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >> What? I just said I had the windows firewall disabled. Why 
>>> >> > >> >> would
>>> >> > >> >> I
>>> >> > >> >> have
>>> >> > >> >> to
>>> >> > >> >> unblock a program if it's not being blocked in the first 
>>> >> > >> >> place? I
>>> >> > >> >> have
>>> >> > >> >> already tried this several times.
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >> "Chris H." wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >> > There is a Microsoft Knowledge Base article about 
>>> >> > >> >> > multiplayer
>>> >> > >> >> > games
>>> >> > >> >> > not
>>> >> > >> >> > working after installing Service Pack 2:
>>> >> > >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;875363
>>> >> > >> >> > which
>>> >> > >> >> > contains the fix for most issues you're seeing.
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >> > Additionally, here's a list of most Microsoft games with 
>>> >> > >> >> > ports
>>> >> > >> >> > required
>>> >> > >> >> > to
>>> >> > >> >> > be opened for multiplayer games:
>>> >> > >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?query=XP+SP2+firewall+%26+games&catalog=LCID%3D1033&pwt=false&title=false&kt=ALL&mdt=0&comm=1&ast=1&ast=2&ast=3&mode=a
>>> >> > >> >> > -- 
>>> >> > >> >> > Chris H.
>>> >> > >> >> > Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
>>> >> > >> >> > Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
>>> >> > >> >> > Associate Expert
>>> >> > >> >> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >> > "ZoneMaster" <ZoneMaster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote 
>>> >> > >> >> > in
>>> >> > >> >> > message
>>> >> > >> >> > news:BA7D1155-7391-40D6-9188-9DAF0E1E766E@microsoft.com...
>>> >> > >> >> > > Ok I have compiled a list of games (mostly microsoft 
>>> >> > >> >> > > oddly
>>> >> > >> >> > > enough)
>>> >> > >> >> > > that
>>> >> > >> >> > > are
>>> >> > >> >> > > not compatible with Win XP SP2 due to either
>>> >> > >> >> > > security/firewall/other
>>> >> > >> >> > > issues
>>> >> > >> >> > > by my OWN experience. These particular games we're
>>> >> > >> >> > > troubleshooted
>>> >> > >> >> > > on
>>> >> > >> >> > > my
>>> >> > >> >> > > system as well as my 2nd PC on my LAN with all the latest
>>> >> > >> >> > > updates,
>>> >> > >> >> > > drivers,
>>> >> > >> >> > > directx, router config. (Basically I have ruled out 
>>> >> > >> >> > > anything
>>> >> > >> >> > > that
>>> >> > >> >> > > could
>>> >> > >> >> > > possibly cause connectivity issues)
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > Please note: Before SP2 (i.e XP SP1) ALL games on the 
>>> >> > >> >> > > list
>>> >> > >> >> > > worked
>>> >> > >> >> > > flawlessly
>>> >> > >> >> > > whether Single, Internet, or Lan based games.
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > Before SP2 install: (all games below work fine)
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > Freelancer
>>> >> > >> >> > > Command and Conquer: Generals
>>> >> > >> >> > > Command and Conquer: Zero Hour
>>> >> > >> >> > > Halo: Combat Evolved
>>> >> > >> >> > > Starwars: Battlefront
>>> >> > >> >> > > Rise Of Nations
>>> >> > >> >> > > Impossible Creatures
>>> >> > >> >> > > UT 2004
>>> >> > >> >> > > Warcraft III
>>> >> > >> >> > > Battle Chess (www.apezone.com)
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > After SP2 install:
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > Freelancer (works singleplayer, No LAN or Internet games)
>>> >> > >> >> > > hangs in
>>> >> > >> >> > > task
>>> >> > >> >> > > manager.
>>> >> > >> >> > > Command and Conquer: Generals (uneffected, works fine 
>>> >> > >> >> > > single,
>>> >> > >> >> > > internet,
>>> >> > >> >> > > and
>>> >> > >> >> > > Lan)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Command and Conquer: Zero Hour (same as Generals, works 
>>> >> > >> >> > > fine)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Halo (same issue as freelancer)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Starwars: Battlefront (works fine singleplayer, Internet, 
>>> >> > >> >> > > and
>>> >> > >> >> > > Lan)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Rise of Nations (same issue as freelancer)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Impossible Creatures (same issue as freelancer)
>>> >> > >> >> > > UT 2004 (works flawlessly single and Internet/Lan)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Warcraft III (works fine, Internet/Lan, single)
>>> >> > >> >> > > Battle Chess (same or similiar issue as freelancer) hangs 
>>> >> > >> >> > > in
>>> >> > >> >> > > task
>>> >> > >> >> > > manager
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > I can't say I'm an expert at Windows XP but I have spent
>>> >> > >> >> > > hours
>>> >> > >> >> > > troubleshooting these games before and after the SP2 
>>> >> > >> >> > > install
>>> >> > >> >> > > and
>>> >> > >> >> > > these are
>>> >> > >> >> > > my
>>> >> > >> >> > > findings.
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > I have other games that I have not tested yet but the 
>>> >> > >> >> > > list I
>>> >> > >> >> > > have
>>> >> > >> >> > > provided
>>> >> > >> >> > > will be updated as I get more info. Whether this is 
>>> >> > >> >> > > helpful
>>> >> > >> >> > > or not
>>> >> > >> >> > > to
>>> >> > >> >> > > anyone
>>> >> > >> >> > > i don't know, but these are just observations and tests I
>>> >> > >> >> > > have run
>>> >> > >> >> > > for the
>>> >> > >> >> > > last week or two.
>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >> > > ZoneMaster
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>