Re: dual boot - Nvidia device driver
- From: "ecoulson" <ecoulson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0800
KM,
Good news - I finally got a custom Nvidia FX 1400 to run in dual boot on
this Dell Precision 670.
First I found that I had nv4_mini.sys in my component in Component designer,
but it did not appear in the driver directory that I use to store all the
files. I put in the nv4_mini.sys from the c:\windows\system32\drivers
directory and rebuilt. However, then I got a blue screen in PNP using FBA
referring to a bad mem address in the nv4_mini.sys. So then I punted and
went to NVidia site to see if they had a new driver. I downloaded the driver
they were pushing as the latest. It was the same version as the driver I was
installing before, except the dates modified and some of the file sizes were
different. I installed it. Then grabbed all the new files. This time I
went to the C:\Windows\system32 directory and got all files that started with
"nv". I checked to make sure that they were all NVidia files. I then put
all the new files from system32 and the nv4_mini.sys (this was twice as big
as the last one) in the driver directory and re did the component. Now
everything for the graphics driver works !!
I still didn't figure out how to use filemon to determine dependent files.
Also, it appears that the uninstall of nvidia left some files in system32
directory. When I used Incntrl5 to determine which files where new it found
some files, but the files that were left it did not list as being added. I
found a Nvidia component (sld) on the web - it had a close version FX 1300
and it had about the same files in my origiinal component. So I am not sure
that the extra files from system32 helped. It may have been the new
nt4_mini.sys.
Now I have to figure out the Network drivers, get CD working.
I do see two processors in the device manager. However, only one in task
manager. It is possible that I need to change some settings in TD ?
I am still wondering what the real advantages of Windows XP is - with a
system not constrained by disk-space. I am going on the assumption that you
can lock down the system easier or better ?? I don't mind putting heavy MSI
components in. Space is not an issue. I am wondering about operatining
system updates on systems in the field. I think we will update the
applications via msi and not make components. We can update drivers this
way as well. I would like to componentize everything except the
application.
Thanks, for everyone's help - I will be working on the CD - getting network
drivers componentized and getting two processors recognized by Task Manager.
We also have hyperthreading - this is turned on in the bios.
Regards, Eric
"KM" wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Please see my comments inline...
>
> > Thanks for the help. I did have a conflict with a componet that I created
> > myself after the initial failure of the import of devices.pmq. After I
> > deleted this initial attempt at a custom component for the NVidia Quadro FX
> > 1400 from the Component DB and created an image without a device driver, I am
> > able to install the nvidia driver manually after a boot of xpe. I then
> > tried to create another custom component for the Nvidia driver using
> > information in "Windows XP Embedded Advanced" by Sean D. Liming. I installed
> > Incntl5 - then uninstalled the driver in regular xp pro - then capured the
>
> With PnP drivers you don't need to mess with the InCtrl5 like tools. Your custom component just has to place all driver files in
> appropritae windows folders (\windows\inf, \windows\system32\drivers, etc.).
>
> > files that were installed. Then created a component and a package and added
> > the to groups as the book mentions. However, I then still failed to install
> > this custom package. I had a service resource problem looking at the
> > setupapi.log so I disabled the service in the compenent designer in the
> > resource and then recreated the pacakge and then failed at another point. I
>
> Can we see you Setupapi.log?
> Did you make sure all the driver dependencies are in your image?
>
> > see the you were trying to help someone else with the same problem and you
> > mentioned dependency walker which I intalled and tired on nvclp.dll - it said
> > that msjava.dll was not there so I added this but it did not help.
>
> In Dependency Walker the mising msjava.dll info is almost always a bogus message. You can safily ingore it.
>
> > So I am thinking this is a lot of trouble and I am wondering if I need to
> > componentize the driver anyway. I would probably be ok to run the driver
> > install on the embedded image - as well as other drivers manually - then
> > create an image for the factory.
>
> Yup. You can use the manual reseal technique: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xeconConfiguringResealPhase.asp
> However, it doesn't save you from the missing dependencies problems. You will have to analyze and include required dependencies
> anyway.
> This is the reason I always prefer componentization rather then manual install of apps and drivers on XPe images.
> Also, don't forget that the manual install of some packages will require the presense of heavy MSI support components in your image.
>
> > I should say I am trying to evalulate Windows Embedded XP for a medical or
> > biotech workstation that runs in a private subnet.
>
> The main rule with XPe is - if it can technically be done with XP Pro, it can be done with XPe.
> (the same binaries)
> Only legal restrictions are there but from your device description it doesn't seem you are crossing the borders.
>
> > Here are the requirements:
> > 1) I am using a dual processor xeon Precision 670
> > 2) I need dual graphics monitor - using Nvidia FX 1400 with two NEC monitors
> > 3) The applications retain state so if I update I would have to migrate some
> > configuration files besides replacing binaries
>
> Registry based settings? Or INI files to store the application settings?
> Unless by "update" you mean the entire image replacement. Then it would require you to move the data files to partition that will
> stay untouched during such image update process.
>
> > 4) I use DirectX 9.X
>
> The component is there in XPe repository.
> Aer you working with SP1 or SP2 database?
>
> > 5) I want to lock down short cut keys (is this posible with Embedded XP ?)
>
> Possible with most of the keys. But some key combinations may require more work.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xeconBlockingCTRLALTDELETEKeyboardAccess.asp
>
> > 6) I want to lock down the computer so it can only run this biotech
> > application (group policy ??)
>
> Well.. group policies here would really be helpful to lock down Explorer based shell.
> If you implemented your own custom shell you could restrict the user as you'd want to.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xeconShell.asp
>
> > 7) We need to update applicaiton software, os service packs, drivers.
>
> DUA, SUS, SMS, your custom client.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnxpesp2/html/XPESP2SERVServicingWithWindowsXPEmbeddedWithServicePack2.asp
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xeoriRun-TimeImageManagementServicing.asp
>
> > 8) Need to create image that can be deployed in factory then updated per
> > customer options.
>
> Use XPe cloning.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xeoriMassDeployment.asp
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xpehelp/html/xetbsCreatingMasterRun-TimeImageForCloning.asp
>
> > Well so far:
> > I can't see two processors in TaskManager
>
> What does Device Manager show?
>
> Make sure you are working with the right chipset drivers.
>
> If you install XP Pro on the target are you able to see both processors?
>
> > I am having problems with vidio card.
> > The network card does not import (I could do this manually)
>
> Again, go for componentization. Also, always analyze the SetupApi.log and FBALog.txt files.
>
> > Questions:
> > Is XPE a good choice ?
>
> I don't see any reason why not. If XP Pro meets your device needs, XPe will likely do the same.
>
> Although I would also recommend you to take a look at Microsoft Windows CE OS. Then, if acceptable, you could get much lower licence
> costs.
>
> > Can I manually install the drivers then create an image that I install in
> > factory.
>
> Yup. See the cloning/reseal link mentioned above.
>
> > - what about the oem license id for xpe that needs to be different for every image ?
>
> You just have to buy a license that covers all devices of the same type you plan to distribute.
> You can create one image using just one PID number that you receive from XPe distributor. This is applicable to all the devices
> covered by the license and sealed with the provided COA stickers.
> An XPe distributor will explain you the process much better so do not hesitate to contact any of them.
>
> =========
> Regards,
> KM
>
>
>
.
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