Re: Transmeta Crusoe + Hitachi Microdrive = no good?

Hi Slobodan and many thanks for your help,

It works (somewhat).
I simply moved the MicroDrive from the CF-holder to an "CF to standard IDE
interface" and there are no problems.
The CF-holder should run in True IDE Mode and be compatible with an IDE disk
drive and it has worked before.
When connected to CF-holder it is detected as "Secondary Master" and when
connected to IDE as "Primary Master" (that is pretty normal behaviour).
Now we know that the disk is OK, the board has no problems booting from
CF-holder.
What am I missing here?
Any components needed to be added/removed in order to use the Microdrive in
the CF-holder?

Thanks again!

BR,

Rob

"The Rob" <therob88@[hotmail].com> skrev i meddelandet
news:lTHie.24636$d5.172994@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Slobodan,
>
> Debugging with Windbg shows that XPe hangs at CLASSPNP.SYS, does this
> explain the problem?
>
> This is what I can see now, the microdrive has been running complete FBA
> on a different platform (mentioned earlier), so at this moment I can´t
> debug it where it froze before FBA.
> This is also what I saw when "trying" to boot in safe mode before testing
> the drive elsewhere (I know it doesn´t work, but at least I could see some
> drivers being loaded).
> Now I´ll copy the image once again and debug it to see what happens before
> FBA, but I guess it will be CLASSPNP.SYS
> Can there be some conflict between CLASSPNP.SYS and the Microdrive +
> Transmeta? I mean, this file is loaded without problems on XPP + HDD, XPe
> + CF and on other platforms?
> I will also try the other method you described, but I would like to
> understand the problem -not just fix it.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> BR,
>
> Rob
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <sbrcin@xxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
> news:Ov4JnX6WFHA.3584@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Rob,
>>
>>> Otherwise, are there some ways I can find out what happens? I assume
>>> there will not be a ntbtlog.txt or setupapi.log since it won´t go that
>>> far? Is it worth try debugging? I have windbg.
>>> Please advise.
>>
>> Debugging or making a clean project that work by useing "minlogon sample
>> macro" are two separate ways left that you can try.
>>
>> I would first take a "minlogon sample macro" in empty project aproach. If
>> this do not work then I would use debugger on this small new image.
>>
>> Debugging freeze problems can be difficult but you could see at least
>> what driver froze.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Slobodan
>>
>> "The Rob" <therob88@[hotmail].com> wrote in message
>> news:yJFie.24632$d5.173018@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Hi Slobodan,
>>>
>>> There are no problems with the hardware itself since it works with CF. I
>>> have also tried other identical boards, same things there.
>>> There are no drivers for microdrive included in the images that I´m
>>> testing now.
>>> The only 3rd party drivers in the image would be C&T 69000 (VGA)
>>> componentized, but should not be the reason for this (?), the same
>>> drivers are used for the CF image. Again, the microdrive works fine on
>>> other platform.
>>>
>>> This has something to do with the combination of Transmeta Crusoe TM5800
>>> & Hitachi Microdrive.
>>> I found some old notes that I made before when I built the working
>>> image, but I can´t seem to find the right combination now.
>>> I get the exact same error regardless how I mix them.
>>> These are some of the components I played with and I know some are
>>> critical, maybe you can see the solution:
>>>
>>> Class installer - Processors
>>> Class installer - System Devices
>>> Device : DiskDrive
>>> Device : hdc
>>> Device : Processor
>>> IBM Microdrive
>>> Transmeta Crusoe
>>>
>>> Unfortunately this is all documentation I have left (yes, I know that I
>>> should document and keep them in a good place. And I promise I will in
>>> the future.)
>>>
>>> Otherwise, are there some ways I can find out what happens? I assume
>>> there will not be a ntbtlog.txt or setupapi.log since it won´t go that
>>> far? Is it worth try debugging? I have windbg.
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <sbrcin@xxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>>> news:%23IP4FC5WFHA.3176@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>
>>>>> Progress bar freezes after just a second (the blue bar just moves from
>>>>> left to the right and freezes there). HDD-LED is litten at all time,
>>>>> but I can´t see any activity. It can just stay there for hours.
>>>>
>>>> This is very veird and unusual problem in case that hardware
>>>> (processor, memory) is non mailfunctioning.
>>>>
>>>>> The drive is now, and by default marked as, "Removable", but can be
>>>>> "fixed" in run-time. I remember that I tried to make it fixed by
>>>>> including drivers for that before, but then it hung loading that
>>>>> driver.
>>>>
>>>> This is the reason why I asked. Since the highest probability for
>>>> system freeze is some third-party driver and my guess was that you put
>>>> filter driver for microdrive.
>>>> Are you sure that you removed it correctly from registry if it was in
>>>> your image?
>>>>
>>>> Any other non-MS drivers in your image?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Slobodan
>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <sbrcin@xxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>>>>> news:eTcejv4WFHA.3584@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you explain the freeze little closely?
>>>>>> BSOD and numbers on the screen.
>>>>>> Infinite boot.
>>>>>> Progress bar is frozen and nothing happen for infinite time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also is this microdrive fixed or removable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Slobodan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Rob" <therob88@[hotmail].com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:dPDie.24623$d5.172843@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Hi group!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am once again facing the problem with the Transmeta Crusoe
>>>>>>> processor in combination with a Hitachi Microdrive 2GB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have read a lot of threads in newsgroups about problems with
>>>>>>> either Transmeta or Microdrive, but no solutions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 months ago I built an image (using SP1) and made two identical
>>>>>>> drives, one was delivered and the 2nd I kept.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board config looked like this back then: IEI Wafer-6820-733 MHz
>>>>>>> 128MB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I´m trying the 2nd drive on a IEI Wafer-6820-800 MHz 256MB, but
>>>>>>> it won´t work!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It boots, but freezes just in the beginning of the Windows boot
>>>>>>> splash screen before FBA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I first made the build there were a lot of problems before I
>>>>>>> got it to work. I tried with several builds (added one or two more
>>>>>>> components each time) until it finally worked and today I can´t
>>>>>>> remember exactly which component made it work (even though I made
>>>>>>> notes). I also saved the different builds and have tried them again,
>>>>>>> but no luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "funny" thing is that it works perfectly with a 512 MB CF from
>>>>>>> SanDisk, SDCFB-512-201-80 (and yes, the image is a little different;
>>>>>>> boot partition size etc.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, the same MicroDrive works on a completely different platform,
>>>>>>> IEI Rocky-3732EV with dual Pentium III.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, my question is, is the problem Transmeta or Microdrive related?
>>>>>>> Is it so that the Transmeta processor is so special I must run TAP
>>>>>>> on each board with different cpu speed or RAM size? What components
>>>>>>> MUST I have for Microdrive + Transmeta and which should I NOT have?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any suggestions are appreciated, this is driving me crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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