Re: Some new clues!

Hmm.. This is really strange.. I copied System.dll, System.Drawing.dll and
System.Windows.Forms.dll to the application directory, and it worked just
fine... At least I'm getting some were, and now I'm able to bring up forms
and buttons... But, i dont feel comfertable with putting the assemblies in
the application directory..

So still hoping to figure this out.


"Jonas Follesø" wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I might have some new clues to solve this problem. Remember i mentioned that
> Console Applications would run? I created a new console application, and
> added a reference to System.Windows.Forms, and called
> System.Windows.Forms.MessageBox.Show("Hello World!"), which is probably the
> simplest Windows Forms related thing i could do. I wrapped this inside a
> try{}catch{} block, and wrote the exception to a file.
>
> The exception can be viewed at a http://jonas.greit.no/ex.txt
>
> I really dont know what's wrong. It says it cant find System, but that
> can't be true, since i'm using the base libraries when writing a Console app
> (System.Console.WriteLine() etc.)
>
>
>
> So, what do you think?
>
> "Jonas Follesø" wrote:
>
> > I just ran TAP.EXE for the first time. The previous images have been built on
> > the "WinLogon" component in the "test" section under software. This time i
> > allso importet the pnq file and got 32 hardware devices added. Really cool.
> >
> > However, the problem and error remains the same. This is really starting to
> > irritate me. Is it really this hard to get a. NET app to run?
> >
> > This is my GART comonent: Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP
> > Controller
> >
> >
> >
> > "KM" wrote:
> >
> > > Jonas,
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > I havent added any Display Device Drivers yet. At the moment i'm running in
> > > > standard VGA (640x480x16). Didnt want to bother with setting up drivers
> > > > before i had .NET up and running. Think i need to add the "ATI Mobility
> > > > (Dell-P)" component (that's the graphic card in the laptop).
> > >
> > > It has been known that video driver problems affected GUI application appearience and some system components.
> > >
> > > > What's the GART componet?
> > >
> > > Slobodan already covered that in his post.
> > > Basically, you were missing agp440.sys from your image.
> > >
> > > If you happened to run TAP on that device, in the imported PMQ file you will see what "..Processor to AGP Controller" component
> > > should be there.
> > >
> > > > I'll see if i can get my hand on a 512MB CF card. Was hoping that i didnt
> > > > have to buy a new one, so I'll see if some of my friends has one i can use.
> > >
> > > This will help you on long run anyway.
> > >
> > > > Didn't quite get what to do with the XP Pro Emulation slx file..?
> > >
> > > Well.. You will have to open the project, add your platform macro and resolve all its dependencies. Change Configuration Target
> > > device settings appropriately. Then just build and deploy the image on the same hardware. However, be aware that the image will be
> > > around 700-800 Mb so you will need to use your old HDD which should be be enough to fit the post-FBA image (~1G).
> > >
> > > KM
> > >
> > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jonas,
> > > > >
> > > > > You've got some driver problems on your device. Likely irrelevant to your problem with .Net but still.. Does the video driver
> > > work
> > > > > at runtime? Check it out with Device Manager or devcon. From SetupApi.log, it seemed that, e.g., you are missing a GART
> > > component
> > > > > (agp440.sys).
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, 18M worries me much. Any chance for you to switch (at least temporarily for development and testing purposes) to 512M card?
> > > > > Just make sure it is marked as fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've uploaded my SetupAPI.log file to http://jonas.greit.no/setupapi.txt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Copying the .NET Framework Redistributable installation file to the CF card
> > > > > > isn't possible with my current configuration (which is basicly Winlogon +
> > > > > > .NET), since there are only 18MB available space (and the installation file
> > > > > > is 23MB).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to check out XPProEmulation now and see what it is and if i can
> > > > > > get it to run.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Allso interesting that Giggsy is having the same problems as I am. I really
> > > > > > hope we'll figure this one out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comments inline...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The log files where captured on the running Windows XP device, which is
> > > > > > > > booting off a 256MB compact flash. When i connect the CF card to my developer
> > > > > > > > computer (the one i'm using right now) CF cards are assigned to I:. So,
> > > > > > > > that's why it's called I:.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see. I appologize I missed that part from your previous message where ou explicetely mentioned you plugged the card to
> > > your
> > > > > > > dev.computer. Now it is all clear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What bothed me was that why the FileMon log showed that the
> > > > > C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e08
> > > > > > > file was missing from your runtime. But you are saying that it is there when you explore the disk content offline. I can
> > > only
> > > > > assume
> > > > > > > that after the first HelloWorld usage, .Net creates GAC repository on the fly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...>
> > > > > > > > I've swaped the noisy 2.5" IDE hard drive with a 256 MB compact flash card,
> > > > > > > > using this CF -> 2.5" IDE adapter: http://www.pcengines.ch/pic/cf2e.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the card marked as fixed? (are you able to create more than one partition on the card?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The computer has a PIII 500mhz CPU and 128MB PC100 SO-DIMM RAM, and an ATI
> > > > > > > > Mobility screen adapter. That's the specs i was able to dig up online. But,
> > > > > > > > as i said, It's a Dell Inspiron 7500.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've uploaded my FBALog.txt file to: http://jonas.greit.no/fbalog.txt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing obvious in this log. Pretty much the same file&dir structure as on XP Pro.
> > > > > > > Maybe something in \windows\SetupApi.log?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, any method may help you figuring out the issue. On the top of your current image (with the .Net included), try to
> > > manually
> > > > > > > install the .Net package from MSDN. If the HelloWorld app would work then you are missing something and it will be easy to
> > > catch
> > > > > > > with tools like RegSnap or Inctrl5 (since you are going to do the manula install on the top of already included .Net
> > > component -
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Registry monitoring tool log won't have too many entries mentioned).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And one more thing you could potentially try out. There is XPProEmulation project on www.xpefiles.com that icnludes
> > > virtually
> > > > > every
> > > > > > > software component from Xpe database (there are versions for SP1 and SP2). Use it (with SP2 no need to add .Net, with SP1
> > > you
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > have to add .Net 1.1 QFE component) and see if you are able to repro the issue. If not, you are missing dependencies from
> > > your
> > > > > own
> > > > > > > runtime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regarding software:
> > > > > > > > ...>
> > > > > > > > Then, on the Pocket PC (running Windows Mobile 2003, .NET CF 1.0 SP2) i'll
> > > > > > > > write a remote controle application using the remoting server on the frame. I
> > > > > > > > know that .NET Remoting isn't supported by .NET CF 1.0, but if you expose
> > > > > > > > your remoting server using SOAP (not binary), you can simply add a web
> > > > > > > > reference and access the methods like any ASP.NET Web Service (even tough the
> > > > > > > > service is hosted inside the picture app, not IIS).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I never tried that. But the article you mentioned explains how to use it.
> > > > > > > Although only simple types would be availale throuhg Web Reference since SOAP messages are parsed for Web Services. But it
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > work for your simple methods.
> > > > > > > Anyway, you know your apps better than I do :-) Btw, why you are not prototyping with XP Pro (instead of XPe?). then if
> > > works,
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can easy move to XPe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've done some work using OpenNETCF, and will probably use it for the
> > > > > > > > feautures needed that arent supported by the core framework. The way i see
> > > > > > > > it, OpentNETCF is kinda like .NET CF 1.5, with lots of the stuff missing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yup. That is the correct understaning. I would also add that OpenNetCF components on the top of core are very useful for
> > > many
> > > > > > > different projects.
> > > > > > > (frankly, I sometimes not even consider using .NetCF without OpenNetCF)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I:? You must have sent me the wrong logs then because they show all the file requests made to C:.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JIT debugger error is not necessarily about the RAM available. But I am now forced to ask you about the system
> > > > > configuration.
> > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > you are deploying to? What media presented on the target during FBA and post FBA? How does the FBAlog.txt look?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Btw, you may really want to have .Net 1.1 SP1 component added to your image (not just .Net 1.1) if you are using SP2.
> > > You
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > > that component on XPe SP2 installation (CD, etc.) under VALUEADD\MSFT folder.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As to the .Net Remoting... I did not quite got why you mentioned "pictures"? Do you have a client app running on Pocket
> > > PC?
> > > > > > > > > What type of connection you are planning to set up between the XPe and Pocket PC device? (IrDA, WLAN, etc.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The final decision is going to be up to you. But if you really good with C# but not C++, Web Services technology would
> > > save
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > of development so I'd suggest you to stick with .Net Remoting. Btw, instead of .NET CF I'd recommend you to look into
> > > > > OpenNetCF
> > > > > > > > > stuff which has many classes that will be helpful to you in this project.
> > > > > > > > > Hope your Pocket PC device is not with the first release of the .NET Compact Framework which did not support remoting.
> > > (I am
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > even sure if it is there for 1.x version. But it is there for 2.0 beta, IIRC).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The file:
> > > > > > > > > > I:\windows\assembly\gac\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Windows.Forms.dll
> > > > > > > > > > allready exsists on the XPe image (I: is the CF attached to my developer
> > > > > > > > > > computer using a card reader).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How ever, i might get closer to an answer. I think it's my memory problem,
> > > > > > > > > > becaouse during FBA i got this error (i redeployed the image):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Fatal Execution Engine Error (0x792dc38e)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Registered JIT debugger is not available. An attempt to launch a JIT debugger
> > > > > > > > > > with the following command resulted in an error code of 0x2(2). Please check
> > > > > > > > > > computer settings.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cordbg.exe !a 0x1b4
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If i click OK a few times the FBA runs through and the computer boots up
> > > > > > > > > > just fine. But, obvious there is something bogus going on... I tought i was
> > > > > > > > > > sooooo close to get this thing to run... Looks like getting more RAM or
> > > > > > > > > > forgetting about .NET and doing this in C++ are my only options?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was hoping to use .NET Remoting on the frame to enable remote control
> > > > > > > > > > using a pocket pc and .NET CF. Say i do this in C++, how hard is it to do
> > > > > > > > > > sockets programming and reading some kind of input, like next picture,
> > > > > > > > > > previous picture, pause and play?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm a decent C# developer, but have never written a single line of C++... So
> > > > > > > > > > i _really_ want C# (so easy to consume my "person aware web service" etc.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the logs and the viewer app.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just an idea... At runtime can you copy the System.Windows.Forms.dll from
> > > C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089 (you will have to create this folder).
> > > > > > > > > > > Then start your HelloWorld app and see if it helped anyhow.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If it did not, please copy the C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089 folder from
> > > XP
> > > > > Pro
> > > > > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > > > > > (with .Net 1.1 installed there) to your runtime, reboot XPe image and start the HelloWorld again.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Since you cant load log files into FileMon or RegMon, and viewing them as
> > > > > > > > > > > > plain text files can be a pain in the ass, i wrote a little log viewer in C#.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You can download it off http://jonas.greit.no/MonLogViewer.zip
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It simply loads the log files into a list view that you can sort and remove
> > > > > > > > > > > > rows from. If you remove un-needed rows you can save the new stripped file to
> > > > > > > > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Jonas Folleso" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I've uploaded the log files at:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jonas.greit.no/regmon.txt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jonas.greit.no/filemon.txt
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HelloWorld.exe is a C# Windows Forms application in it's simplest form.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Simply selected "New project - Windows Forms - Build in release". I havent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > made ANY changes, and it's not configured for localization (culture neutral).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be greatefully appreciated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried running both filemon and regmon on the computer, but not sure what to look for.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is hard to advise not seeing the log. Any chance for you to save, attach and post the Logs to this thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I'd suggest you to first analyze there the misisng (FILE NOT FOUND) components (FileMon log).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the last registry actions before the app crashes is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language lookup. I tryed setting the app to only support English (since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the only language supported on the XPe computer) but with no luck.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your application do you use only English resources?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I allso tryed adding a try-catch block around the entrypoint of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application. This should catch any exception caoused by the application and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > display it in a MEssageBox. The exception never get caought, so the error has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with my code, but the JIT/Runtime.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you app runs fine on XP Pro, you may think it is not your app code that cause the problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only suggest you to monitor the broken app launch with RegMon/FileMon to see what's missing there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I think this is a bug of XPe (I guess SP2?).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just did some more testing and built a simple C# Console Application
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > displaying the current date and time, and it ran perfectly. A windows
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application doing the same thing caouses the error mentioned in the first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post in this thread. So, obviously the .NET Framework is installed, but the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem has something to do with WindowS Forms Applications.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jonas Folleso" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I didn't install it manually, i added the .NET Framework 1.1 component to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the image. The image is based on the "WinLogon Sample Macro" component.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sounded like you installed the .Net Framework at run time manually. Any particular reason not to use
> > > the
> > > > > ..Net
> > > > > > > > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > XPe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > repository?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Alos, what is your image based on - Minlogon or Winlogon?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > KM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I've finnaly managed to installed the .Net Framework and boot my Windows XPe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > image. I've copied a hello world application to the XPe computer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > When I execute the hello world.exe file. I get this exception immediately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > CommonLanguage Runtime Debugging Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > "Application has generated an exception that could not be handled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Process ID=0x704(1796), thread id = 0x710(1808)"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Can any one tell me what went wrong, do I need to install any additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > components? I have the "autoresolve dependency" setting turned on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > -Jonas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
.